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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - jeza - 08-07-2021
(08-07-2021, 08:45 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:And one other thing, in pre-empting the Murphy hate, if anyone can enlighten me as to how Murph may have impacted/caused todays poor result, I'm keen to hear it. Should make for interesting reading.
Picking a bloke who is cooked to be part of the team (even as sub) sends a very clear signal to the rest of the team:
MEDIOCRITY ACCEPTED HERE
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - rocky - 08-07-2021
Cr@p side going backwards. Wish we played all our games on Sunday night.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Macca37 - 08-07-2021
(08-07-2021, 07:55 AM)Baggers link Wrote:If not for Weitering and Jones this year, where would we be?
Well, Mr Sayers, you'll need an icy objectivity to address our on-field issues. Hopefully you won't defer to sentimentality, populist or half-@rsed processes when addressing the imperative changes needed in our footy department. Poor leadership, poor discipline, dying culture... astounding incompetence for so long from a once great club. And the proof of this is on full display most weeks, on the field. Just enough good performances occur to give us confidence in the list, but it stops there.
I commented at the beginning of the year, after a few rounds, that we've been conned again. Enormous credit must go to the marketing/PR and media departments for such an effective 'sell.' But if we go into 2022 with many of the same faces in the footy department, that will be an impossible 'sell.' A lot of faith, if not already gone, is wavering. There is very little confidence in our present leadership.
My sentiments exactly.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - dodge - 08-07-2021
(08-07-2021, 08:46 AM)Smurfy link Wrote:You would have thought with so many players playing for their Careers we could put some effort in, once again today it was a rabble just another terrible game to watch, how many times have we played like that now this year 3 or 4 ???That's part of the problem. They play for their careers and next contract, not for the team.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - crashlander - 08-07-2021
I was warming up for a multi-paged rant, but I've over it for the moment. I do have a few things that I need to say though:
[1] Whether the players love Teague or not is now irrelevant. Today they killed him as a senior coach. Having produced two unacceptable efforts in three weeks will be the end of him.
[2] Most of the assistant coaches can also pack their bags. But for a couple of newbies, like Power, the rest have been there for a while and will not get another contract. Whoever the new coach may be, he will have to find his own assistants.
[3] There are a number of players whose contract status for next year and beyond was questionable. Those that played today probably did irreversible damage to their chances of remaining. They probably won't be sacked: they will be traded for draft picks and other players. I am assuming a new coach who will want want the same cattle trying to kill him.
[4] There won't be many voters for the Jim Park this week. We managed only 7 a few weeks back when we lost to North, and only managed a dozen when we triumphed last week. That is just so much less than normal, between one third and one half of the voters no longer bothering.
I may even be one of them. I didn't see the match live. I might watch it on Kayo, but I might not. My mental health is dubious enough at the moment without my football team making it worse.
[5] I know Russell has a very good reputation, but our boys don't seem to be responding to him any better than they have to the coaching staff. Our injuries have mounted every week. That may also reflect poorly on our medical staff. The new administration will have to address this issue, as we cannot afford to die in the last quarter.
[6] The finger may well point at our recruiters again. It is hard to blame young Austin: he simply hasn't been there long enough. But some of the others could well face immanent replacement.
[7] When it comes time to celebrate Marc Murphy's 300th game, there isn't going to be much to celebrate. He has struggled to have an impact of late and the team are not likely to come up against the team in the 8.
[8] Until the team plays for the jumper and not the dollar, we will continue to be a rabble. That could well be one of the reasons for the clean out that now will come at season's end.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Lods - 08-07-2021
(08-07-2021, 10:00 AM)crashlander link Wrote:2] Most of the assistant coaches can also pack their bags. But for a couple of newbies, like Power, the rest have been there for a while and will not get another contract. Whoever the new coach may be, he will have to find his own assistants.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the assistant coaches supposed to have been told a week ago whether they had positions for 2022.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - Professer E - 08-07-2021
It's pretty clear what our problem is - the list not the coaches.
I'm going to shoot Bambi. If the likes of Fisher want to enjoy the trappings of a professional footballer he needs to be a professional footballer and play in such a manner. No more crap Instagram channel BS headressing action, just get a kick son. Just like far too many on our list - too distracted by stuff outside football and not enough emphasis on the team and club.
Over these frauds, time to sort the culture out.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - LygonStreetLimbo - 08-07-2021
What is the game plan? What are the structures?
Either the players aren’t sure or our opponents are well and truly onto them?
When it’s not working, what is plan B (and plan C)?
We have a group of elite footballers that don’t work as a team.
It’s not the personnel at fault. It’s the management of them.
Our new club song is “Land of Confusion” (if Phil Collins doesn’t mind)
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-07-2021
Not sure our players are that elite, some woeful skills and some only turn up every couple of weeks when they feel like making an effort.How many million dollar a year players do North have or the Suns... The latter are kids, locals, hacks from the VFL, journeymen from other clubs and a few early round picks finding their way. Plus they were playing us away from home..
People bag out the likes of Sellers Mclure but at least him, The Dominator etc could be out on the fizz all week but all would turn up to play on game day. How do you coach players who can't be bothered competing each week?
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast - cookie2 - 08-07-2021
In my own experience of being a member of sporting teams, albeit at a pretty humble level, the main ingredients for success, apart from talent and ability, were belief and commitment.
I think we probably have adequate if not spectacular talent but the belief and commitment are definitely missing on too many occasions. IMHO this goes beyond the realms of coaching and stems from deep within the fabric of the club. We could keep speculating but if the review does not nail it, get used to it going on for more years to come.