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Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - laj - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 08:34 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Lyon would grind our way to finals but he himself is unproven as a Premiership coach and would need to have altered his game plan ideas to be able to formulate a plan to kick bigger scores.
He understands the game well and I like his analysis work but can he coach in the modern era?
A lot of Blues fans would probably be happy with regular finals which he would probably provide and thats where the temptation is. He was a micro manager at Freo and didnt bother too much with what his assistants though , as we have seen today its a team effort now in the coaching box and poor assistants usually lead to poor results.
Lot of iffs and buts with Ross compared to Clarkson and Hardwick...
We don't have the ball skills to play a defensive style game Lyon would bring. That was borne out last week. It's tough enough for most sides to use it well in that situation, let alone us.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - kruddler - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 09:13 AM)laj link Wrote:We don't have the ball skills to play a defensive style game Lyon would bring. That was borne out last week. It's tough enough for most sides to use it well in that situation, let alone us.Not sure how well Lyons defence would be with the 6-6-6 rule.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - laj - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 09:15 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Not sure how well Lyons defence would be with the 6-6-6 rule.There is that too.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - shawny - 07-12-2021
They are 15th on the ladder for a reason. We have failed in every single test to beat the better teams which is hard enough to except in year 6 of a rebuild but lose ones like this week and there is no denying we are again still a bottom 4 team. Yep we have injuries but they are also missing their 2 best players who dominated us in the first game.
Time for some to stand up - we have been very patient with Martin and Williams and made excuses why they don't live up to the hype well i say enough is enough. Overdue they repay the faith and start to bloody earn their hefty pay check. We have gone from all eggs in the Cripps basket to all our eggs in the Walsh and Weitering basket as Cripps is busted.
Well overdue for others to share the load - we are going no where until we stop complaining about things out of control and start focusing on areas we can control. We have been sh1thouse for too long and every year its a new set of 'reasons' why we are still sh1te.
Massive week IMO to see what our club is made of and who wants this win more.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 09:13 AM)laj link Wrote:We don't have the ball skills to play a defensive style game Lyon would bring. That was borne out last week. It's tough enough for most sides to use it well in that situation, let alone us.Think Lyon would be big on midfield defensive pressure and not allowing teams easy entry into the forward line. There would be a lot more emphasis on accountability running both ways. If you watch him on footy class he goes off his brain at players being allowed to run unchecked and create overlaps or increased numbers at contests.
Freo were a full on big bodied physical pressure team who wore teams into the ground but lacked finishers who could kick a winning score. I think he would find the balance hard to achieve with our list as it stands and would need to make changes or really reverse the playing style of many of our players.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - Gointocarlton - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 08:17 AM)Micky0 link Wrote:Agree.I get what you mean @Mickey0, I would be gutted (yet again) if we sacked another coach. But the jumper is bigger than everything else and I would muster up the courage to front up (again) no matter how angry I was with the peanuts running the show. The 22 that run out every week need us.
Will not renew memberships if Teague goes and Lyon comes in. No way.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - Micky0 - 07-12-2021
(07-12-2021, 11:07 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I get what you mean @Mickey0, I would be gutted (yet again) if we sacked another coach. But the jumper is bigger than everything else and I would muster up the courage to front up (again) no matter how angry I was with the peanuts running the show. The 22 that run out every week need us.Whilst I agree and did when they appointed MM who I absolutely thought was the wrong person etc etc, and then again with Bolton who I gave a lot of leeway to, I think DT is right for this group, more so than Lyon. Hardwick is a tool and no thanks again.
Clarke, as much as it pains me, I could understand the club going for and would accept that SO LONG as he’s not on a book tour a la MM !
But do think stick with DT, there’s something more there - I hope we see success with him.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - LP - 07-13-2021
(07-12-2021, 12:42 PM)Micky0 date Wrote:Hardwick is a tool and no thanks again.Hardwick is being exposed as a bit lucky in the draw of the cards, when his man Cotchin was the defacto on field coach and flying everything was easy for Dimma, now that Cotchin is either burnt or broken it seems Dimma is looking as clueless as any!
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-13-2021
(07-13-2021, 12:05 AM)LP link Wrote:Hardwick is being exposed as a bit lucky in the draw of the cards, when his man Cotchin was the defacto on field coach and flying everything was easy for Dimma, now that Cotchin is either burnt or broken it seems Dimma is looking as clueless as any!Tigers have lost the hunger, nothing else for them to achieve, happens to the best of teams....they need a clean out, new coach so they can reset their goals and start the journey again.
I saw them give up chasing vs the Pies, they dont give a feck anymore...
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 18 Carlton vs Collingwood at the MCG - JonDorotich - 07-13-2021
I liked the suggestion earlier in this thread of Martin to the HBF as he can tackle and mark and can use it well. He just tends to go missing up forward.
However with Martin, Willians and Saad all in defence, that’s a seriously expensive small defensive fleet!