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Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - kruddler - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 06:28 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes, he's another one of those we have, playing injured.I noticed it in the 1st quarter 2 weeks ago. He was hobbling despite not having any obvious contact.....the game had just started!
Not sure what his problem is, but he's clearly not kicking the ball like he could previously, lots of taping on those legs is a tell.
If he is on 1 leg, and that stops him from using his weapons, speed, agility, kicking......then why are we playing him?
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - Thryleon - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 06:28 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:He didn't play round 1 Thry. This didn't sound right to me so I checked (sorry).was thinking last year round 1. We rushed him back for indigenous round.
He kicked 3 in rnd 2 v Coll:
goal 1 20-25m out 45 deg angle, played on and snapped with his left foot
goal 2 received from Fish on the run in the goal square and dribbled it through
goal 3 opposite pocket to goal 1, snapped from 20-25m out.
No 45m slots from those three.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlD9Abvy76k
I will say this, when he first came to us, I noted his kicking action as poetry (to me at least) and didn't miss, (kicked 4 on debut). It is a confidence and continuity thing ATM, it will come good, nothing to do with injury if you ask me.
Id wager calf issues but yeah I've got this years details wrong.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - Gointocarlton - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 09:44 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:was thinking last year round 1. We rushed him back for indigenous round.No probs mate, agree though last year early he was a dead eye dick in front of goal.
Id wager calf issues but yeah I've got this years details wrong.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - DJC - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 06:13 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:He's not fit, and playing on one leg.
Martin has no depth in his kicking. In round 1 he was slotting them from 45 metres out. I think he has a muscle issue which is preventing him from doing a lot, and we have rushed him back in. For mine, I would be getting him focussed on strength and conditioning, because its his major flaw.
Jack has lost his leap and the lateral step that was giving him space and time.
I’m not sure why he’s playing - he probably wants to play - but it would be best for him and the club if the focus was on getting him fit for next season.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - LP - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 08:47 AM)kruddler date Wrote:If he is on 1 leg, and that stops him from using his weapons, speed, agility, kicking......then why are we playing him?We don't know what the injury is, how much of it is physical and how much is mental / confidence, players limp for all sorts of reasons and injury is just one of them, some are playing possum, others looking for an excuse.
It might not be as bad as we think, because when he gets on a roll he certainly looks more spritely.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - northernblue - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 08:47 AM)kruddler link Wrote:If he is on 1 leg, and that stops him from using his weapons, speed, agility, kicking......then why are we playing him?
It’s the usual presumption, Martin will attract a certain level of opposition attention, regardless of how many legs he’s got, same theory is keeping Cripps out there.
They’ll still do some good team stuff and take an opponent (or two) leaving 2nd tier players with lesser opponents.
I don’t think we have seen our 2nd tier guys stand up enough, generally…
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - LP - 07-07-2021
I presume Williams will be straight back in.
I'm not so negative about this guy, I get that some people see the dollars and think he should be a messiah, but that is in my opinion an unrealistic perspective. He arrived at the club, surrounded by new team-mates and had some immediate influence, that is about all you can ask for in year one.
The point here is perhaps not that Williams is paid too much, or isn't performing to the level required by his remuneration, but that perhaps someone like Judd wasn't paid anywhere near enough! :o
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - Shakin77 - 07-07-2021
(07-07-2021, 03:51 AM)LP link Wrote:The point here is perhaps not that Williams is paid too much, or isn't performing to the level required by his remuneration, but that perhaps someone like Judd wasn't paid anywhere near enough! :o
Nah I think we have overpaid for Williams. Not that it's his fault. He put himself in the market and the market (us) paid him well. I think if anything is to be learnt from this it's that, sure you can get 800k but there has to be some incentives in that contract.
800k is an elite player. Not what you play a player you are hoping is elite.
Hope we don't make the same mistake with someone like Cerra who is asking elite money and Fremantle will ask for elite player compensation. He well may well become that player, but he isn't that player yet.
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-07-2021
(07-07-2021, 05:31 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:Nah I think we have overpaid for Williams. Not that it's his fault. He put himself in the market and the market (us) paid him well. I think if anything is to be learnt from this it's that, sure you can get 800k but there has to be some incentives in that contract.Good post..its not the players fault, we over paid for a half back flanker/unproven mid who was a known quantity in terms of fitness. Everyone knew his endurance game needed work and he missed a season with achillies issues...so how was he ever going to handle game after game of full on midfield running.
800k is an elite player. Not what you play a player you are hoping is elite.
Hope we don't make the same mistake with someone like Cerra who is asking elite money and Fremantle will ask for elite player compensation. He well may well become that player, but he isn't that player yet.
Doesnt appear he was fit from day 1 and its rumoured his achillies is still a major problem and like I suggested on another thread that Russell is expected to work miracles on a bloke who came with problems.
Its a recruiting fail not a fitness fail IMHO...
Re: Pre game Promise AFL Rd 17 Carlton vs Geelong? - LoveNavy - 07-07-2021
(07-07-2021, 05:31 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:Nah I think we have overpaid for Williams. Not that it's his fault. He put himself in the market and the market (us) paid him well. I think if anything is to be learnt from this it's that, sure you can get 800k but there has to be some incentives in that contract.
800k is an elite player. Not what you play a player you are hoping is elite.
Hope we don't make the same mistake with someone like Cerra who is asking elite money and Fremantle will ask for elite player compensation. He well may well become that player, but he isn't that player yet.
Business 101: Don't pay for potential