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Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - Professer E - 06-27-2021
Ramsay aint big but he's got something. Like Kemp, Honey and Carroll. Concerned that we're very light on for up and coming taller players.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - rocky - 06-27-2021
(06-27-2021, 10:17 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Nothing happened to him. People just realised that their 'idea of Willo' was greater than the 'output of willo'.That's your opinion Krudd. No point harping on it as you won't change my mind just as I wont change yours.
I kept pointing it out, and people kept refusing to see it.
He's Paul Bower mark II.
Lots of ability, but makes too many mistakes at AFL level.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - Shakin77 - 06-28-2021
Not a lot to come out of this one. With 12 players out injured we really didn't have a lot. No key defenders, key forwards, inside mids, ruck etc. Left with kids, wingers and flankers.
O'Brien couldn't get any space. Got crunched as soon as he got it.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - Thryleon - 06-28-2021
(06-28-2021, 12:52 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:Not a lot to come out of this one. With 12 players out injured we really didn't have a lot. No key defenders, key forwards, inside mids, ruck etc. Left with kids, wingers and flankers.
O'Brien couldn't get any space. Got crunched as soon as he got it.
Unlike everyone else, I have woken up to a truth that is uncomfortable for everyone to really understand about LOB and that cohort. We are finally developing players based on individual need, and getting him to a level in the VFL is the best way forward for him.
In a horses for courses approach, he might find value for us in a future state where we need an outside runner to complement a midfield that contains Walsh, Stocker, Dow, SPS and LOB on the wings drifting between half forward/half back.
He isnt that bad a player but he needs to really polish up his outside ability if he isnt a mix of inside and outside.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - LP - 06-28-2021
(06-28-2021, 12:52 AM)Shakin77 date Wrote:O'Brien couldn't get any space. Got crunched as soon as he got it.Didn't they play LoB as a tagger on Wilson?
LoB isn't an inside mid, and Wilson is about as in and under as they get, maybe they are giving LoB some lessons but I doubt you can greatly change a player's fundamentals in that extreme way.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - crashlander - 06-28-2021
Watching the replay when I got home. The first quarter wasn't that bad.
[1] Big Goetz was useful, except that he didn't know his teammates. It was very clear that he didn't know where our guys were running to when he got a tap.
[2] Cooper Stephens reminds me more and more of Nick Duigan. He was very good early.
[3] Crocker could have been a matchwinner, but we had no idea how to create a leading lane for him.
[4] Inside mids: we were ordinary in this area. We really didn't have much drive from the middle.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - Blue Moon - 06-28-2021
I think the comparison between Bower and Williamson is a bit unfair. Bower was chosen Pick 20 as a key defender while Williamson was Pick 61 and was always a back flank/wing. Williamson is probably above average for a Pick 61 and Bower below for a Pick 20.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-28-2021
(06-28-2021, 01:50 AM)LP link Wrote:Didn't they play LoB as a tagger on Wilson?Played a few roles and the negative stuff he does means he doesnt get much ball, look I'm not a LOB apologist but he isnt being coached with his career in mind and its more about where he can be used more for the teams sake.
LoB isn't an inside mid, and Wilson is about as in and under as they get, maybe they are giving LoB some lessons but I doubt you can greatly change a player's fundamentals in that extreme way.
If he is going to make it its going to be as an Andrew Gaff type on a wing running free, not responsible for a man and not tagging or being used in any inside role...
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - LP - 06-28-2021
(06-28-2021, 07:20 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Played a few roles and the negative stuff he does means he doesnt get much ball, look I'm not a LOB apologist but he isnt being coached with his career in mind and its more about where he can be used more for the teams sake.Agreed, I do not understand when we bring a guy like Setterfield in and play him on the wing, LoB is virtually a wing specialist. The club can't hedge it's bets 100% of time, and I thought it was clear on the weekend player lift when you play them in their best position.
If he is going to make it its going to be as an Andrew Gaff type on a wing running free, not responsible for a man and not tagging or being used in any inside role...
It's unfair to the players treated this way.
Re: VFL 2021 Rd11: Carlton vs Northern Bullants - kruddler - 06-28-2021
(06-28-2021, 04:08 AM)Blue Moon link Wrote:I think the comparison between Bower and Williamson is a bit unfair. Bower was chosen Pick 20 as a key defender while Williamson was Pick 61 and was always a back flank/wing. Williamson is probably above average for a Pick 61 and Bower below for a Pick 20.Same size.
Same agility/speed.
Same hunger for the contest.
Same brain fades.
Same akward handballing style.
Same back injuries.
Bower was an U18's AA CHB.....but was never really a CHB at AFL level.
I'm not trying to be cruel to Williamson, i just see similar traits. Willo has done well to play as many games as he has for the pick he was taken....but in terms of output. I see a bower clone.