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Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Professer E - 06-15-2021
Don't see how this is anything but clear cut. McKay can't receive less than 8 weeks - accelerated launched braced and ran through him. No eyes for ball, no attempt at a tackle. Only intention was to nail the opponent. He chose to bump and he'll pay for it.
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - LP - 06-15-2021
(06-15-2021, 01:58 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:Trying to change a full on contact sport whose culture has always included 100% attack on the ball with no regard for your own safety to one where caution and hesitancy are required sounds like mission impossible to me - even a recipe for disaster? We'll see I guess, but the whole essence of the game is in danger of being lost imo, and it's old northern nickname of "aerial ping pong" may prove to have been prophetic?You've seen Gaelic football?
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-15-2021
(06-15-2021, 02:14 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Don't see how this is anything but clear cut. McKay can't receive less than 8 weeks - accelerated launched braced and ran through him. No eyes for ball, no attempt at a tackle. Only intention was to nail the opponent. He chose to bump and he'll pay for it.Yep..he will be having a long holiday and made an example of....if that was Buddy or Dusty though it would be accidental contact and they would be eligible to play in the Grand Final the next week.
The AFL got themselves a nobody player in Mackay they can give a good whipping and look like they care about head injuries.
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - dodge - 06-15-2021
Prof - with all that and the AFL consistency, $1,000 fine!
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Professer E - 06-15-2021
...and that's why I am disenfranchised with the AFL, treat everyone the same, not in some Orwellian "some animals are more equal than others" fashion. Plowman two weeks - fine - but don't pick and choose when to apply it after the point was supposedly made.
It's like "intentional" Vs. 'carelesss". Give me a spell. "I didn't know my fist was clenched and I was going to punch him" really ?!? Another vehicle used to downgrade charges.
Like Mumford. He's been doing rubbish for years, why wait until now to pull him up, and why the wet lettuce fine when it happens?
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - cookie2 - 06-15-2021
(06-15-2021, 02:21 AM)LP link Wrote:You've seen Gaelic football?
Not really, only the international rules version which I thought was a bit of a dog’s breakfast. We could go something like Hurling though, and give each player a big stick to whack each other over the scone with?
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Thryleon - 06-15-2021
How Henderson got away with his marking contest bump where he made contact with player and not ball is beyond me.
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-15-2021
(06-15-2021, 04:48 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:How Henderson got away with his marking contest bump where he made contact with player and not ball is beyond me.The more successful the club the lesser the penalties.....
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Blue Moon - 06-16-2021
There is much made of the fact we have been losing by less than five goals. It shows we are in the games, but when push come to shove, we tend to fold. Listening to Carlton there is a belief within the Club that this team will succeed. I think they have the ability to be successful. I keep saying we have a very good list. I think there is complacency at the Club and that is the problem. They look at the list, they think the Coaching is fine, we are getting new facilities and the administration is going very well, these are the elements of success so there is an expectation that there will be success. It is like back in 2010 when there was an expectation of success where we lost Grigg for not much and the used our first three draft picks to chose Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell and then in 2011 we didn't trade and we chose Bootsma. In 2012 we didn't trade and Tom Temay was our second pick. The whole point of Malthouse was the belief we had a good side and all we needed was a super coach to bring it all together. While we are not making those mistakes today, I still think there is a fair amount of complacency around the Club believing it is all going to happen and that complacency is produced on the field of play.
What the players need to demonstrate against GWS is a sense of urgency but not the suicidal recklessness Newman engaged in. The players are going to actually want to succeed. If we do this we will win. If we don't we will have another three to five goal loss
Re: Pre game Premonitions: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS - Thryleon - 06-16-2021
(06-16-2021, 12:40 AM)Blue Moon link Wrote:There is much made of the fact we have been losing by less than five goals. It shows we are in the games, but when push come to shove, we tend to fold. Listening to Carlton there is a belief within the Club that this team will succeed. I think they have the ability to be successful. I keep saying we have a very good list. I think there is complacency at the Club and that is the problem. They look at the list, they think the Coaching is fine, we are getting new facilities and the administration is going very well, these are the elements of success so there is an expectation that there will be success. It is like back in 2010 when there was an expectation of success where we lost Grigg for not much and the used our first three draft picks to chose Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell and then in 2011 we didn't trade and we chose Bootsma. In 2012 we didn't trade and Tom Temay was our second pick. The whole point of Malthouse was the belief we had a good side and all we needed was a super coach to bring it all together. While we are not making those mistakes today, I still think there is a fair amount of complacency around the Club believing it is all going to happen and that complacency is produced on the field of play.
What the players need to demonstrate against GWS is a sense of urgency but not the suicidal recklessness Newman engaged in. The players are going to actually want to succeed. If we do this we will win. If we don't we will have another three to five goal loss
Without wanting to debate any specific point, this could simply be the sign of a club that is a work in progress.
Really, looking beyond the coaching, playing personnell even the relative coaching records between Teague and Bolton.
Our side is at a point where the future is upside. We have enough talented youngsters to be better moving forward, and our key performers have transitioned somewhat from the old guard to the new guard (3 years ago, our best players were most weeks, Simpson, Thomas, Docherty, Murphy, Kreuzer, Cripps).
This year we have evolved properly and the baton has well and truly transitioned. Our best players in no particular order are Weitering, Harry, Walsh, Cripps (even though he is down), and JSOS. The rest are a mix of getting their role done, and not most weeks, with still the odd stirling performance from the likes of Betts, Saad, et al.
Its possible that Bolton to Teague not happening might have yielded similar results purely on team evolution. Likewise, its possible we could sack Teague and continue to improve at the same rate if we persist with him.
Any football department reviews likely shouldn't be aimed at personnel, but rather process, structure, roles and procedures.
We need to get the club operating like a well oiled machine and now is pretty much the best time to do it.
I am looking at our list, and I can see that we have really had a focus on drafting in the next batch and that the current batch are simply the first layer of the next evolution of our footy club.