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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - crashlander - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 08:10 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Bontempelli's stats.Bont wasn't very effective until the last quarter. Unfortunately, he really lifted. Until he wasn't that much at all.
32 disposals (=game high)
19 Contested possessions (game high)
8 Tackles (2nd highest of the game)
10 Inside 50's (2nd....5 above 3rd)
10 Clearances (2nd)
5 Centre clearances (2nd)
12 Score involvements (=game high)
617m Gained (2nd)
2 goal assists (=game high)
3 Brownlow votes
THAT was the ballgame.
Our centre square work was good for three quarters, but very ordinary in the last. We couldn't but a clearance then.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 09:08 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Agree on Honey...think Gibbons has to go out, we just have one too many small bodies IMO with Owies now in the team.Are we playing too many injured payers [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] , between Cripps and Williams they almost spent a quarter on the bench!
Cottrell was ok on Hunter for a while and the whipping boy Newnes wasnt our worst....
Zac Williams if he wasnt on a crap load of money should be dropped too.....
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Baggers - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 09:08 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree on Honey...think Gibbons has to go out, we just have one too many small bodies IMO with Owies now in the team.
Cottrell was ok on Hunter for a while and the whipping boy Newnes wasnt our worst....
Zac Williams if he wasnt on a crap load of money should be dropped too.....
The club has really made a rod for its back with Williams, he came to us with OUR promise to him of being a midfielder... which, to date, he clearly aint - or is it that our key mid (Crippa) is not up to it which leaves more to others who aint up to it?
The big question is - who dropped their heads in that last qtr, ie who are the softies when serious heat comes? Did the coaching box also drop the ball in the last qtr?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Baggers - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 09:18 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Bont wasn't very effective until the last quarter. Unfortunately, he really lifted. Until he wasn't that much at all.
Our centre square work was good for three quarters, but very ordinary in the last. We couldn't but a clearance then.
Agree... so, to repeat myself, who dropped their heads in the last qtr? Who are the blokes who fold when serious heat comes?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 08:50 AM)shawny link Wrote:You know what’s embarrassing - anyone that tries to justify that performance using stats.
I watched the game and him in particular very closely apart from costing us 2 goals to frees he had no fking clue how to palm the ball to any sort of advantage. I reckon they could have used Daniels on the ruck and Pit wouldn’t know how to exploit it. Bombers did the same thing last week used a kid against him cause they know he has no clue.
You trying to defend his ruck work is like me telling you Casboult is a great AFL footballer based on the stats I throw at you.
Both are lucky to be 2nds standard but we have no stocks to turn to so they keep getting a game.
Mate, when you have the best contested ball winner in the comp, and club captain, and he gets done over for clearances by the ruck, and you point the finger at the ruck as being the issue? You are confusing where the blame lies.
I'm not saying Pittonet is worthy of votes, but to say he is the reason we lost and was beaten by a second gamer, nah, i'm calling BS on that.
Just when Grundy had 30 more hitouts than Pittonet and people were lauding his game, Pittonet beat him at every other stat that mattered, and some that didn't.
Stats are not the be all and end all, but i'm going to disagree with someone, i'm going to give evidence as to why.
FWIW, one of those frees against Pittonet was BS too. Sweet initiated contact, Pittonet was too strong and threw him out of the way.....while looking at the ball mind you...and was called for holding/pushing. Watch what Mummy does every game, and rewatch that and tell me its a free.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Gointocarlton - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 08:25 AM)shawny link Wrote:Pit is NOT and AFL standard ruckman. Not even close. He was beaten by a second gamer and was still unable to give our midfield any clear takeaways. HTF are we slaughtered in clearances with a 2nd gamer rucking. Can you imagine what Gawn will do to this bloke next week. Just shows you how far off it we are development wise when a 2nd gamer can come in and have an impact. Same with their first gamer he showed straight off that he had been developed. We are still a fair bit off it.Cripps doesn't see happy, if he wants to go so be it as you say. As long as he realises he is part of the problem, mentally weak to a man. It staggers me we can't devise a plan to stop 5 goal runs or the infield leaders (that's you Patrick) do nothing.
And don’t let me start on Cripps and Williams. Ffs I’m so sick of both of these blokes. Over paid over rated. Sick of excuses. If Cripps wants to go home good get a decent deal and catch ya later. He needs to be dropped but won’t be. Kane Cornes is 110% right - he is not an elite midfielder had a few good years but is not damaging at all and gets burnt on the outside time and time again. Paying this bloke a cent more then 600k a year would be laughable.
Switch jumpers with Bont and Cripps today and we win by 6 goals.
As for Zac, he is one less than impressive footballer. Nine touches and a tackle, there is nothing nice to say about that so Ill say nothing.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 08:50 AM)shawny date Wrote:You know what’s embarrassing - anyone that tries to justify that performance using stats.Yes, Pitto was up against a rookie and a ruck nobody, and he couldn't use that situation to his or our advantage, the stats are a lie.
I watched the game and him in particular very closely apart from costing us 2 goals to frees he had no fking clue how to palm the ball to any sort of advantage. I reckon they could have used Daniels on the ruck and Pit wouldn’t know how to exploit it. Bombers did the same thing last week used a kid against him cause they know he has no clue.
You trying to defend his ruck work is like me telling you Casboult is a great AFL footballer based on the stats I throw at you.
Both are lucky to be 2nds standard but we have no stocks to turn to so they keep getting a game.
It's been the huge weakness, Pitto is a break even ruck, he'll probably break even with Gawn. But when he should he doesn't dominate an opponent, and when he gets a clear hand to the pill it's more often than not heading to opposition advantage.
If you can get the replay watch De Koning's game form earlier today, gets a clean hand puts it down a team-mates throat!
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LP - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 09:39 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:As for Zac, he is one less than impressive footballer. Nine touches and a tackle, there is nothing nice to say about that so Ill say nothing.Zac is not suited to how he is being used, and probably injured.
If he was fit we would have swapped him and Saad today, but we didn't, so that is a tell.
Overall not a bad team effort, we lost not because of the momentum swing, but because we missed 2 or 3 easy goals from 20m out almost dead in front. We probably should have been 40+ up instead of 27.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 05-09-2021
Teague said in the post match that Williams copped a minor injury during the game (didn't say what), but the medicos said he was ok to go back on. OK can mean different things to different people I guess.
I don't think Williams' issue is positional. I just don't think he looks right.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Gointocarlton - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 08:44 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:Williams was a good player at GWS, but hasn’t fired a shot at Carlton. Why?I'll guess and say the following:
Did we get this horribly wrong?
- he can't cope with the expectation of being a prized recruit.
- he seems lazy and isn't prepared to work hard to get into a game.
He might need some "easy kills" to get his form and hunger back, it aint gonna happen in the ones in the coming weeks. We have
- Melb
- Haw
- Syd
- WC
Play him in the 2s until he dominates.