+- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com)
+-- Forum: Princes Park (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Robert Heatley Stand (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-14.html)
+--- Thread: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide (/thread-5167.html)
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:15 PM)PaulP link Wrote:As I said earlier, it's like a stat sheet from a different game, but they don't lie. We have simply got to make better decisions and become cleaner with the ball. You can't compete with the better teams just with effort. But I'm not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to build on what is there, and there is without question something we can build on. But in some fashion, those next steps have to come.Agree. Are they training to rectify the deficiencies though? For example, we haven't had a problem getting it I50 for a few years now. We more often than not get more I50s than the opportunity, even when we get beaten badly. We have however butchered the ball in front of goal for years. So are they putting enough emphasis on goal kicking? And by that, I don't mean just repeated shots at goal, but using other techniques, methods, specialist coaches, deep analysis of set shots during games, heart rates etc. This is the single area that has cost us many games and yet it appears nothing has been done about it. These are where the next steps need to be taken.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - JonDorotich - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:15 PM)PaulP link Wrote:As I said earlier, it's like a stat sheet from a different game, but they don't lie. We have simply got to make better decisions and become cleaner with the ball. You can't compete with the better teams just with effort. But I'm not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We need to build on what is there, and there is without question something we can build on. But in some fashion, those next steps have to come.
Agree that there is a foundation to build on
Unfortunately last night highlighted what happens when you combine a handful of players that don’t have the right ability with another bunch that don’t give the right effort.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-17-2021
When a team sees its leaders making mistakes and, in one or two cases giving away goals or missing easy shots, then confidence gets shattered and mistakes escalate. That's one factor, a big one imo, in last night's performance and it has no doubt set us back again. We will no doubt be working to try harder next week but I'm afraid the bagatelle is going to continue until this is resolved however which way. Teams know our weak spots and go straight for them.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:23 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Agree. Are they training to rectify the deficiencies though? For example, we haven't had a problem getting it I50 for a few years now. We more often than not get more I50s than the opportunity, even when we get beaten badly. We have however butchered the ball in front of goal for years. So are they putting enough emphasis on goal kicking? And by that, I don't mean just repeated shots at goal, but using other techniques, methods, specialist coaches, deep analysis of set shots during games, heart rates etc. This is the single area that has cost us many games and yet it appears nothing has been done about it. These are where the next steps need to be taken.
I'm not sure about goal kicking training, but Teague said they are training decision making and execution. He said in games both time and space are taken away from you, and they try and train with that intensity, but you need balance, because if they train constantly like a real match, the players will be cooked before the ball is bounced.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 09:55 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I've been on these forums for 15 years, and I learned long ago that it's most unwise to be the positive guy after a loss. Tends to ruin the mood lol.Scoreboard flattered us Paul, they had two players down and just dropped a gear in the last quarter.
I saw a team that gave enough effort and had enough scoring shots to make it a real contest. I also saw a team that makes some terrible decisions and needs to be a lot cleaner with the ball.
re Comments on Williams... Good player but not a true mid, can't get much over 20 possies a game. His possies are generally good but like Martin doesn't get enough ball like the real specialist mids.
We bought a classy half back but only a handy part time mid.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - BluePhantom - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:47 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:When a team sees its leaders making mistakes and, in one or two cases giving away goals or missing easy shots, then confidence gets shattered and mistakes escalate. That's one factor, a big one imo, in last night's performance and it has no doubt set us back again. We will no doubt be working to try harder next week but I'm afraid the bagatelle is going to continue until this is resolved however which way. Teams know our weak spots and go straight for them.Our weak spot is telling us how good we are and what Stars we have and how we are a hard team.
Feed enough carp.....
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-17-2021
(04-17-2021, 10:54 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Scoreboard flattered us Paul, they had two players down and just dropped a gear in the last quarter.
......................................
They are a top 4 team with plenty of quality and depth, and we are team trying to make finals with our own set of problems.
This particular game is a bit of a paradox. If you look at general play, then yes, I agree the scoreline did flatter us. If you look at shots on goal, marks I50 and other factors, I would say if anything, the scoreline flattered them. Our skills were terrible, and despite that, if we kicked as straight as them we were in with a real chance.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-17-2021
Goalkicking... You are either a good kick or a poor one, practising might fix a few players but not many. Cripps is terrible and that isn't going to change, Levi was on last night but most times is iffy as we know and its been like that his whole career.
The Port kid Georgidias kicks like an arrow and knows forward craft in comparison.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - 31Tommys_barber - 04-17-2021
Got to love people defending the honourable loss their blind support of the club no matter what happens on the field is fabulous. They say it was only 28 points and use stats to say we were in the game and that with only slight tinkering we will be competing for a flag. I used to be one! But week after week poor decision making in drafting, development, coaching tactics, disposal and general football smarts brings us back to reality and disappointment.. We will win a few matches here and there in crappy scrappy games and see the odd flash of what it takes but when it comes to competing against the better clubs we are put back to our real level of average lower ranked team who nobody fears playing. Only two players have football smarts and composure Walsh and Weitering the rest seem to think the best way forward is to put it high in the air to gibbons or betts and let the opposition mark over them ? we kicked scrappy points from set shots and long snaps because we don’t have the skill to figure out what the situation calls for as we move into the forward 50 or how to read leading patterns I used to think one day a switch would flick on and we would rise to our potential and be world beaters. I don’t know how they can fix it quick but honourable losses are not doing it for me, no joy in following the Blues and when people ask me who I follow it will always be Carlton but not with the passion and pride I used to
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Thryleon - 04-17-2021
Gibbons is another one that has smarts.
Knows how to find the footy. Unfortunately his execution can be off. This was never going to be a win.
Im watching a team trying its guts out to stay in games but just keeps making mistakes.
Zac Williams isn't right. He probably shouldn't have played last night. That was a mistake to play him. Is ball use is excellent and we aren't seeing the best version of him while he's playing on one leg.