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Re: SPS - DJC - 12-08-2020
(12-08-2020, 11:44 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I think Docherty uses the ball ok, SPS tends to kick the ball short imo, if he is the designated player to deliver the ball from defense he needs to get more ball.. 9-10 kicks isn't enough.
Docherty tends to get cleaner possessions because of his largely loose player role. He butchers the ball as much as anyone else when under pressure.
Samo definitely needs to get more of the ball. Perhaps Jones should be told to handball to Samo at every opportunity. That would significantly reduce our defensive 50 turnovers.
Re: SPS - northernblue - 12-08-2020
(12-08-2020, 11:44 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I think Docherty uses the ball ok, SPS tends to kick the ball short imo, if he is the designated player to deliver the ball from defense he needs to get more ball.. 9-10 kicks isn't enough.
My take is that yes Samo often goes for a short kick, but it’s marked and gives us a “settled” kick as opposed to a pressured or play on type of possession.
Maybe that’s what they are looking for from him, hit a target when under pressure to release that pressure, then we can regroup and run and gun ?
Re: SPS - DJC - 12-08-2020
(12-08-2020, 12:14 PM)northernblue link Wrote:My take is that yes Samo often goes for a short kick, but it’s marked and gives us a “settled” kick as opposed to a pressured or play on type of possession.
Maybe that’s what they are looking for from him, hit a target when under pressure to release that pressure, then we can regroup and run and gun ?
I think that’s exactly what Teague wants. The MC must have decided that Samo is best able to hit that target and is more than able to play his defensive role, as the stats suggest.
Re: SPS - capcom - 12-08-2020
Reckon most of our backline are not clean with disposal. General malaise that needs a remedy. It will come
Re: SPS - LP - 12-09-2020
I can't work out why we leave Weitering anchored in the D50, it plays into the opposition hands.
We need him up the ground and kicking into our attacking zone, he's on of the best long kicks in the competition.
I'll tear my hair out if we end up with Marchbank up the field intercept marking and then spraying the footy like weed killer!
Re: SPS - Thryleon - 12-09-2020
(12-09-2020, 01:15 AM)LP link Wrote:I can't work out why we leave Weitering anchored in the D50, it plays into the opposition hands.
We need him up the ground and kicking into our attacking zone, he's on of the best long kicks in the competition.
I'll tear my hair out if we end up with Marchbank up the field intercept marking and then spraying the footy like weed killer!
we don't, he gets dragged there by opposition, and he has to react to that or else we end up with a forward without an opponent, or someone else has to go over.
We have a good defense, but an opposition coach knows a few things.
Carltons defense is team oriented. There is a couple of ways to beat it.
1. Create seperation.
2. If you cant create seperation, if they are going to work together, get them to do it as close to goals as possible.
The issue: It relies on deeper forward entries to create the situation where Liam can come across to help. He's the chaos player in our backline. He will win a lot of aerial ball, but he doesnt chop it off and create, he is a defensive player who can create the sort of situation that Richmond feed off.
Weitering is the dangerous one. Most of the time, the machinations are to get his opponent to drag him closer to goals and be a decoy offensively.
it creates the situation where our defenders have to make a decision. Do I stay or should I go? Its what I would do if coaching against us. Why? Defenders that make decisions about what they do, are easier to catch out than ones who are simply following an opponent. So, by dragging Weiters closer to goal, it means he has to stay as the interceptor, or go with his man. He wont get that right every time, and the time he gets it wrong, odds are his opponent will have plowman for company and thats a win in itself.
Thats why we want marchbank back.
Re: SPS - LP - 12-09-2020
I partially agree [member=105]Thryleon[/member], but we've even left Weitering at FB and had guys like Casboult, Pittonet and McGovern patrolling the HBF.
Despite our D50 success it's very disorganised, there is heaps of room for improvement. We aren't overly blessed with guys who can kick, it should be our priority to make sure the ones who can kick are far enough up the ground to do so!
FWIW, the same applies to SPS. Kicking 15m passes from inside D50 is next to useless, especially when Simmo or Willo was charging up the wing and kicking the footy straight back to the opposition 50m away. Cripps is not a good kick, Setterfield is not a good kick, Walsh, Ed and Casboult are OK. Fisher and Gibbons are OK. Pittonet I haven't seen pass the ball by foot.
Outside of Betts and Martin who are probably already in the F50, Weitering, sMurph and McGovern are pretty good by foot, but all three aren't generally left free in play to make use of that skill.
It's big difference between us and top of the ladder clubs, at the Handbaggers someone like sMurph finds himself at the end of a chain, not being expected to hunt, tackle and win his own footy, but being given a feed from guys like DangerFlog and Selrot.
Re: SPS - Thryleon - 12-09-2020
(12-09-2020, 03:11 AM)LP link Wrote:I partially agree [member=105]Thryleon[/member], but we've even left Weitering at FB and had guys like Casboult, Pittonet and McGovern patrolling the HBF.
Despite our D50 success it's very disorganised, there is heaps of room for improvement. We aren't overly blessed with guys who can kick, it should be our priority to make sure the ones who can kick are far enough up the ground to do so!
FWIW, the same applies to SPS. Kicking 15m passes from inside D50 is next to useless, especially when Simmo or Willo was charging up the wing and kicking the footy straight back to the opposition 50m away. Cripps is not a good kick, Setterfield is not a good kick, Walsh, Ed and Casboult are OK. Fisher and Gibbons are OK. Pittonet I haven't seen pass the ball by foot.
Outside of Betts and Martin who are probably already in the F50, Weitering, sMurph and McGovern are pretty good by foot, but all three aren't generally left free in play to make use of that skill.
It's big difference between us and top of the ladder clubs, at the Handbaggers someone like sMurph finds himself at the end of a chain, not being expected to hunt, tackle and win his own footy, but being given a feed from guys like DangerFlog and Selrot.
I disagree.
Our backline is organized. Very organized.
Thats why the run on of 4 or 5 goals at a time being a feature, is the whole team structure falling to pieces for about 5 to 10 mins in games. Its also why we lost as many as we did. Disorganisation creeps in, and its usually on the back of other failures, and the defense having to work hard to cover those positional changes by our opposition.
Else it has been very well organised. This part of the team has been our weak point for the better part of 20 years, and for the first time ever our defense looks strong, and like they all play for each other.
Its one of Bolton's big ticks because it started under him.
Re: SPS - DJC - 12-09-2020
I agree Thry.
We give up a few goals from defensive turnovers but most opposition scores seem to come from poor decisions and/or poor execution up the ground.
When you really drill down, each of our defenders had good seasons and Weitering was exceptional and should have been first choice for All Australian CHB.
Getting the defence right is an important first step and I think that we have accomplished that. As much as I admired Simmo, Saad will be an improvement and we will have Marchbank and probably Kemp and Stocker to add to the mix.
The next step is eliminating those turnovers forward of centre and getting full value from our forward 50 entries.
Re: SPS - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-09-2020
(12-09-2020, 06:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:I agree Thry.Be interesting how Saad defends, with Docherty liking to play loose we need to find that balance of defense and attack.
We give up a few goals from defensive turnovers but most opposition scores seem to come from poor decisions and/or poor execution up the ground.
When you really drill down, each of our defenders had good seasons and Weitering was exceptional and should have been first choice for All Australian CHB.
Getting the defence right is an important first step and I think that we have accomplished that. As much as I admired Simmo, Saad will be an improvement and we will have Marchbank and probably Kemp and Stocker to add to the mix.
The next step is eliminating those turnovers forward of centre and getting full value from our forward 50 entries.
Simmo great as he was could be a weak link in terms of defending and I am hoping Saad is a lot tighter even though there was that report he didnt enjoy being played in a very negative role and that was part of his reasoning on wanting to leave the Bombers.