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Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 09-18-2020
We can't put our approach all on to Teague. Under this club administration there is a strategy that is being followed that includes commercial considerations as well as player development etc. Not saying this is the right way necessarily as I don't profess to fully understand all of it's detail. However, I firmly believe that Teague was under instruction to contest and win as many games as possible with the players he had available best suited to that task. Next year the list will have changed and oldies will have gone, but I think he will still be expected to win games with hopefully the addition of some outside mature talent.
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - Thryleon - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 12:07 AM)Pratty link Wrote:It's not about Bolton, anymore. I too think the young guys' confidence is shot from the early days. Times have changed. 18 months older is a big difference in maturity.
If we're not going to play these younger guys in bigger roles, then why do we still have them on our list and why would we keep them past tomorrow's final game?
I think the next step for Teague now is to balance the winning with exposing some younger guys into bigger roles with more responsibility. I don't say that for the sake of it. We're not winning games of footy so think that's our cue to change it up a bit. I'm disappointed Teague hasn't. He's stayed loyal to the structure and senior players. That's ok to a degree. His next challenge is to get more our of the fringe types.
From what I have seen, he seems to be bringing them in slower which is probably a better mix. Give them a bigger role next season and see how we go.
Remember irrespective of how this season has gone, the most mature players were probaby better equipped to survive it and thrive in it simply due to time playing the game. Repeat pre seasons, better knowledge of their body and how to get up for the following week after quick turnarounds in unfamiliar locations.
Its been interesting.
Id really love to know where Liam Stocker is and whats going to happen there in respect to his footy.
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - Pratty - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 12:48 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:From what I have seen, he seems to be bringing them in slower which is probably a better mix. Give them a bigger role next season and see how we go.
Remember irrespective of how this season has gone, the most mature players were probaby better equipped to survive it and thrive in it simply due to time playing the game. Repeat pre seasons, better knowledge of their body and how to get up for the following week after quick turnarounds in unfamiliar locations.
Its been interesting.
Id really love to know where Liam Stocker is and whats going to happen there in respect to his footy.
I agree Thry. Next year I would think it has to be the next step. I think for me it;s this past 3-4 weeks I would have loved to see some change up on field.
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - kruddler - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 12:48 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:From what I have seen, he seems to be bringing them in slower which is probably a better mix. Give them a bigger role next season and see how we go.
Remember irrespective of how this season has gone, the most mature players were probaby better equipped to survive it and thrive in it simply due to time playing the game. Repeat pre seasons, better knowledge of their body and how to get up for the following week after quick turnarounds in unfamiliar locations.
Its been interesting.
Id really love to know where Liam Stocker is and whats going to happen there in respect to his footy.
Part of the reason they would've been brought in slower this year is they have basically no exposed form in the 2's to hone their craft.
Hard to teach the kids defensive gut running at training.
In hindsight, it was the ideal time to draft a kid who has done his knee (Kemp) as he's missed nothing, and we've missed nothing.
I would hope that some of our kids take on the same kind of personal responsibility over their careers as Cripps did when he hired his own personal running coach.
We need Dow, Obrien, Stocker etc to put in the hard yards in the off-season and come back bigger, better, stronger, faster and most of all HUNGRY.
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - townsendcalling - 09-18-2020
Again, they reiterated on the radio today that the HUB / restricted training was a clear advantage to older, more established lists like Richmond, Geelong, West Coast etc who had successful systems in place that had been executed prior to lockdown. Our backline held up because Jones, Weitering, Plowman and Simmo have had time together......our forward line hasn't had that continuity, and it shows!!! That's where the improvement will come in 2021.
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 09-18-2020
(09-17-2020, 11:34 AM)shawny link Wrote:Rumour on socials is Murphy won’t play.
Probably done his shoulder chairing Gibbs off. ?
He said in a interview he is disappointed he can't play in Simmo's last game.
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 12:07 AM)Pratty link Wrote:It's not about Bolton, anymore. I too think the young guys' confidence is shot from the early days. Times have changed. 18 months older is a big difference in maturity.
If we're not going to play these younger guys in bigger roles, then why do we still have them on our list and why would we keep them past tomorrow's final game?
I think the next step for Teague now is to balance the winning with exposing some younger guys into bigger roles with more responsibility. I don't say that for the sake of it. We're not winning games of footy so think that's our cue to change it up a bit. I'm disappointed Teague hasn't. He's stayed loyal to the structure and senior players. That's ok to a degree. His next challenge is to get more our of the fringe types.
This idea that the confidence of Dow, O'Brien etc. is shot from the early days is dubious IMO. Nobody expected Dow to go h2h with Dangerfield etc. and come away with the points. He and the others were clearly there to learn, and the ethos was to have all the kids play and grow together. Also notwithstanding the expected human behavior that we tend to feel better about ourselves when we are included rather than excluded. Any loss of confidence is likely to be from Dow, OBrien etc twiddling their thumbs for a year not getting games rather than anything that came before. The players and coaches are in constant dialogue, the players have mouths, the leadership group and coaches have ears, they have eyes - there are numerous ways in which a loss of confidence in a youngster could be detected and addressed.
IMO, the last 15 or 16 months is basically coitus interruptus, and the club has potentially caused itself a few headaches. This is a season which will not be taken seriously when history is written. It would have been the perfect season to play kids en masse. Instead, the club decided that short term wins were what is needed, and selling memberships to folks who couldn't really use them was the go, so Liddle could show he was good at boosting revenue. Well, that's fine - mission accomplished. What happens now ? The club is expected to play finals next season, and having at least two if not more oldies depart, we will be forced to play kids who are essentially at the same level of football development they were last year. The club cannot have its cake and eat it too. If you want wins, you can't play kids en masse, and if you want development, you have to sacrifice a few wins, which in a nothing season, would have been a better option.
There is no certainty that Dow O'Brien and all the rest have what it takes - playing them in one or two games proves nothing. It should hardly surprise that they showed little when given a recall. Finding out next season whether they have it or not is almost too late IMO.
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - Milhanna13 - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 12:07 AM)Pratty link Wrote:It's not about Bolton, anymore. I too think the young guys' confidence is shot from the early days. Times have changed. 18 months older is a big difference in maturity.
If we're not going to play these younger guys in bigger roles, then why do we still have them on our list and why would we keep them past tomorrow's final game?
I think the next step for Teague now is to balance the winning with exposing some younger guys into bigger roles with more responsibility. I don't say that for the sake of it. We're not winning games of footy so think that's our cue to change it up a bit. I'm disappointed Teague hasn't. He's stayed loyal to the structure and senior players. That's ok to a degree. His next challenge is to get more our of the fringe types.
Its a hard balance, isnt it?
Play all the kids in the guts, all the time, and you get what happenned to Bolton - lose games, kids get smashed and lose confidence, no one wins.
Play the senior guys in the guts, and the kids dont get an exposure - you see Cunners getting frostbite sitting on a flank for games on end, you see youngsters come in and play on a flank or in a pocket (where they havent played in the 2s) and they fail, along with not getting any exposure to the heat and a chance to learn and develop
Of course, the good sides make it look easy. We just need to get that balance right
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - Milhanna13 - 09-18-2020
(09-18-2020, 01:37 AM)townsendcalling link Wrote:Again, they reiterated on the radio today that the HUB / restricted training was a clear advantage to older, more established lists like Richmond, Geelong, West Coast etc who had successful systems in place that had been executed prior to lockdown. Our backline held up because Jones, Weitering, Plowman and Simmo have had time together......our forward line hasn't had that continuity, and it shows!!! That's where the improvement will come in 2021.
Good point re Backline standing up as they are more senior/spent more time together
This thinking makes sense - hope it is true and we do see improvements from the fwd line, and from the kids in general
Re: Pre Game Prognostications: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-18-2020
The clubs with depth are the ones who have handled the covid shortbreak game season well...Richmond are the classic example of being able to swing in like for like players, rest players and now we are seeing the likes of Edwards, Astbury returning they only look stronger. Even with Soldo gone they have a readymade quality replacement in Nankervis to take over.
We dont have the depth of talent and dont even have a designated best 22, you get best systems when you get depth and only then do you have successful systems because more players are capable of playing the roles in that system.
If we had lost our Astbury in Weitering and our Edwards in Martin for any length of time we would have been hammered most weeks as we dont have the cover...