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Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - Gointocarlton - 06-23-2020
(06-22-2020, 10:45 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Given how many years have passed, and how many footy games have occured since then, 3 out of 4 is a pretty good effort.I remember vividly I couldnt go to the game, the bloke I normally went with said to me "never mind, it will be a cake walk, lets worry about next week". And that my friends is a lesson in getting ahead of yourself.
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - PaulP - 06-23-2020
(06-23-2020, 07:30 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I remember vividly I couldnt go to the game, the bloke I normally went with said to me "never mind, it will be a cake walk, lets worry about next week". And that my friends is a lesson in getting ahead of yourself.
Yes, should have been a comfortable win for us. Mind you, back in those days such confidence usually turned out to be right.
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - laj - 06-23-2020
Just to top it off. Connor Mckenna's test today come back negative.
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - Gointocarlton - 06-23-2020
(06-23-2020, 08:11 AM)laj link Wrote:Just to top it off. Connor Mckenna's test today come back negative.And he had 5 negative prior to positive on Fri. I would guess his positive might have been dodgy.
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - Lods - 06-23-2020
What that shows is that this thing and the handling of it is full of contradictions.
I don't think anyone has a real handle on it and the various manifestations.
I'm happier now that the game goes ahead without some players missing...but I really don't think we have a clue as to what's going on and that means that it could turn on us pretty quickly.
Nothing would surprise.
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - LP - 06-23-2020
(06-23-2020, 09:58 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:And he had 5 negative prior to positive on Fri. I would guess his positive might have been dodgy.Yes, but nobody can take the risk of assuming a false negative, for a virus like COVID-19 false positive and quarantine is much safer error to make when there is no aggressive treatment.
It's quite possible a whole batch of these recent outbreaks might be false positives from a problematic batch of tests, it happens all the time but this situation would put that on steroids.
The media cannot have it both ways, you can't demand someone tests clear three or four times in a row and then write off as bad one false positive. It just doesn't work that way!
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - cookie2 - 06-23-2020
(06-23-2020, 09:55 PM)LP link Wrote:Yes, but nobody can take the risk of assuming a false negative, for a virus like COVID-19 false positive and quarantine is much safer error to make when there is no aggressive treatment.
It's quite possible a whole batch of these recent outbreaks might be false positives from a problematic batch of tests, it happens all the time but this situation would put that on steroids.
The media cannot have it both ways, you can't demand someone tests clear three or four times in a row and then write off as bad one false positive. It just doesn't work that way!
Real events and truths can sometimes be damned inconvenient! :o
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - flyboy77 - 06-24-2020
There is an aggressive treatment (we just can't use it in most Western democracies openly because Trump once mentioned it).
Presuming the right protocol is followed (just as with any treatment of any illness) - at the right stage of infection.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/the-hydroxychloroquine-scandal
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - flyboy77 - 06-24-2020
And if you're into data - https://medium.com/analyticaper/covid-19-what-the-data-tells-us-3a08e42ee36f
Re: Cheats FC Player Allegedly Tests Positve to Covid 19 - LP - 06-24-2020
There a lot of basic errors in those articles you link.
For example. When graphing death rates you have to stack the data to see how the total death rate is affected, COVID-19 death rate is an increase in death rate to be stacked on top of all other causes, not as an alternative or a percentage of the default death rate. Assuming it is not deliberately deceptive it's a fundamental lack of understanding by the author on how statistics work.
Further I'd question the validity of death rate as a valid measure, because it scales with the epidemiology. If two diseases have the same death rate but one has five times the infectious rate it's far more serious. Of course authors construct a circular argument by then referring back to the death rate as a percentage, but that is already based on a fundamental mistake.
Regarding Hydroxchloroquine, the Surgisphere meta-data that is continually referenced in defence of the drug is proven bogus. It was all based on a meta-study not a real double blind drugs trials. A meta-data study just looks for correlations, then requires a full double blind study to confirm or refute the correlation. Not study was conducted by Surgisphere, I won't comment on the validity of the Surgishpere meta-study as you'd have to look at gigabytes of data and dive into how it was mined, but superficially as an organisation they look like they are predatory, they are searching for correlations in the hope some are patent-able and they can do this without paying for any real research and then just file speculative patents. There are real drug trials now underway but none have shown any benefit yet, and the fact that it may not be as harmful as the withdrawn study suggested doesn't mean the inverse, it doesn't mean it is useful as a prophylactic against COVID-19.
I've heard a nice analogy that explains meta-data studies. They are a bit like being lost at sea and searching for land, then seeing birds in the distance and saying there must be land that way, but the observations do not support the conclusion!