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Re: List Changes 2018 - crashlander - 09-13-2018
Rules for rookies have changed, but the rookie list as such remains for 2019.
Update #2 13/09/2018
Senior List:
We are involved with so many trade talks at the moment that it is hard to keep abreast of them all. Some of them, I like. Others, I am less comfortable with. Not all of the trades will come to fruition: we simply do not appear to have the space on our list. It will be some time yet before these come to a head.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody yet. But the jungle drums are beating hard and Carlton appears to be in the race for pretty much everybody who appears to be available. Even with this there are no firm moves yet, although the most probable is a Free Agent selection for Fasolo of Collingwood. Not my favourite deal, but ... The next most likely is Mitch McGovern from Adelaide, who has stated that he no longer wants to be at the Crows.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – No word about how he is going. We may not find out about Kreuzer until training begins. A potential retirement.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Kerridge has not been offered a contract at this time. It has been suggested that the club may rookie him, depending on how the trades go.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett in dispatches since he went on for surgery. Not sure what is going to happen here.
[5] Matthew Lobbe – Less likely to be moved on with such a large cloud over Kreuzer, but I can’t see him with us in 2020. A potential retirement or delisting.
[6] Nick Graham – Puss has not been offered a contract for 2019 yet, and has been told his fate depends on the trade period. To be honest, I think Puss has the highest probability of being elsewhere in 2019 of all of the potential list changes.
[7] Andrew Phillips – No word about Phillips has come out at all. A potential delisting, although not a high probability.
[8] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has been conspicuous by its absence in trade talks. No idea how this one is going to go. A potential trade, but not a high probability.
[9] Matthew Wright – like Kerridge and Graham, his contract talks have been suspended until after the trades. He may be demoted to the rookie list.
[10] Jed Lamb – I thought he would be unlikely to be under pressure with the way he finished the season, but his contract talks have also been put off until after the trades. He could be a rookie yet.
This could get us 12 changes in the senior list, although I doubt that will happen. Simpson, Wright and Rowe have a new contract for 2019.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – doesn’t look like a superstar at this point, but he was good enough to get into the Vic Metro line-up. He has more height and natural athleticism than Jack has. He is a very high probability to be our last active pick as a F/S.
Other names on the trade list include Shiel (GWS), Dunstan (St.K), Dahlhaus (WB), McGovern (Ad), Setterfield (GWS) and more! Fasolo is looking likely to be a Free Agent selection.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, but I am not yet certain when the rookie list will be absorbed into the main list. So:
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract and looking less likely to be offered a rookie spot with 4 senior potentially becoming rookies.
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Wright, Kerridge and Graham are now in the picture.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
But we can recruit more Cat B rookies, just not from Ireland.
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking less likely, but stilla long way from not being on our horizon.
[2] Ethan Penrith – looking less likely now with the senior players in the picture.
[3] Sam Fisher – no word about Fisher as yet, but he has done everything he could do.
[4] Jesse Palmer – looking less likely now.
Conclusion:
I expect changes. We cannot trade everybody in without some players going out. We will have pick #1, unless we trade it and pick #11 (Priority Pick). We then have 2 second rounders, then a 4th rounder. With the top echelon of this draft cohort looking very good, I simply cannot see us trading our way out of it. There is too much talent on offer. But the number of changes appear to be more significant than was expected not that long ago.
Re: List Changes 2018 - Thryleon - 09-13-2018
Crash, why is Jesse Palmer looking less likely now?
Re: List Changes 2018 - crashlander - 09-13-2018
(09-13-2018, 09:43 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Crash, why is Jesse Palmer looking less likely now?He did really well the other day at the VFL Awards. I would have thought that would do him some good. But then there was the message put out by Carlton suggested that some of our senior players may be put on the rookie list. If that happens, and it is looking likely, then we won't get a lot of picks in the draft without trading out some players or delisting guys I don't think we really want to flick. That makes it harder for both Fisher and Palmer.
The other thing is our interest in guys like Fasolo and McGovern. Fasolo and McGovern fill the role that Palmer would fill, and probably better. With out other forward options I cannot see us recruiting lots of guys for that role, especially with Matthew Wright to compete against.
I reckon that has put a lot of pressure on Garlett, Pickett and leBois as well. if we trade for a small forward, not likely, but not impossible, one of those three will go. Probably LeBois. (I really don't know what is going on with Garlett, even with him having an operation. He couldn't have too bad or we would have scheduled his surgery earlier.)
If the trades fall through, then Palmer really comes into the picture. But Fasolo and McGovern are looking like some of our more likely successes.
Re: List Changes 2018 - flyboy77 - 09-13-2018
LeBois should go imo.
Clearly extremely injury prone even before hitting the big bodies of senior AFL footy.
Sorry, but next!
Re: List Changes 2018 - Gointocarlton - 09-13-2018
(09-13-2018, 10:29 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:LeBois should go imo.I like how SOS operates, Mullet and Oshea showed little and he flicked them after 12 mths. If LeBois is shown the door Ill understand. If he is given another year, it means SOS thinks given a go fair go with injury, he has the tools to play AFL (and Ill understand that also).
Clearly extremely injury prone even before hitting the big bodies of senior AFL footy.
Sorry, but next!
Re: List Changes 2018 - Jeffy38 - 09-13-2018
(09-13-2018, 11:18 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I like how SOS operates, Mullet and Oshea showed little and he flicked them after 12 mths. If LeBois is shown the door Ill understand. If he is given another year, it means SOS thinks given a go fair go with injury, he has the tools to play AFL (and Ill understand that also).
Gowers is a good example of why not to judge a book too early or think. Lebois hasn’t shown nearly enough compared with what gowers did, but then again SOS didn’t recruit Gowers.
Re: List Changes 2018 - Thryleon - 09-13-2018
(09-13-2018, 10:14 AM)crashlander link Wrote:He did really well the other day at the VFL Awards. I would have thought that would do him some good. But then there was the message put out by Carlton suggested that some of our senior players may be put on the rookie list. If that happens, and it is looking likely, then we won't get a lot of picks in the draft without trading out some players or delisting guys I don't think we really want to flick. That makes it harder for both Fisher and Palmer.
The other thing is our interest in guys like Fasolo and McGovern. Fasolo and McGovern fill the role that Palmer would fill, and probably better. With out other forward options I cannot see us recruiting lots of guys for that role, especially with Matthew Wright to compete against.
I reckon that has put a lot of pressure on Garlett, Pickett and leBois as well. if we trade for a small forward, not likely, but not impossible, one of those three will go. Probably LeBois. (I really don't know what is going on with Garlett, even with him having an operation. He couldn't have too bad or we would have scheduled his surgery earlier.)
If the trades fall through, then Palmer really comes into the picture. But Fasolo and McGovern are looking like some of our more likely successes.
Thanks crash.
I have liked both of Fisher and Palmer and am hoping Fisher gets onto our rookie list even if Palmer doesn't.
Both of them are better than Lebois.
Re: List Changes 2018 - crashlander - 09-14-2018
(09-13-2018, 12:07 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Thanks crash.I agree. LeBois MIGHT be good, but he is incredibly fragile. He is also not as fast as he thinks he is. He gets caught often.
I have liked both of Fisher and Palmer and am hoping Fisher gets onto our rookie list even if Palmer doesn't.
Both of them are better than Lebois.
Re: List Changes 2018 - kruddler - 09-14-2018
(09-13-2018, 11:32 AM)Jeffy38 link Wrote:Gowers is a good example of why not to judge a book too early or think. Lebois hasn’t shown nearly enough compared with what gowers did, but then again SOS didn’t recruit Gowers.
For every Gowers, there is about 3 Watsons, Hartletts or Edwards....
Re: List Changes 2018 - DJC - 09-14-2018
(09-14-2018, 08:01 AM)kruddler link Wrote:For every Gowers, there is about 3 Watsons, Hartletts or Edwards....
That's a very conservative estimate Kruddler
I thought Gowers had a bit going for him but wasn't surprised when he was cut. It would have been poor list management to keep him for another year in the hope that he would pull his finger out. Getting the ask seems to have given him the drive that wasn't there before but I suspect that he may not be a long term prospect.