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Re: Cripps on the couch - LP - 05-17-2018
(05-17-2018, 09:08 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Kernahan was captain in his second year at Carlton.
He won his first B&F in his first year as captain in 87.
I was talking about SA, Kernahan didn't come to us as a draftee, he was the man in SA before he arrived at Carlton!
Re: Cripps on the couch - Gointocarlton - 05-17-2018
(05-17-2018, 10:08 AM)PaulP link Wrote:EB, Tom Harley and Nick Maxwell were not the pin up boys at their clubs - I don't remember the media going into meltdown during their captaincy.Great post
I just think the captain needs to be the one who has the best chance of capturing the hearts and minds of the players, who can keep their cool and make the right decisions at the right time, someone the coach can trust to do the right thing, and someone who can steady the ship when required. There is a certain brains v brawn aspect to this. It's about more than media pets and bulldozing around the stoppages. At least IMO.
Re: Cripps on the couch - LP - 05-17-2018
(05-17-2018, 12:12 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Rat Pack were let run loose by Mick...players like Tarrant wouldnt even talk to younger players, they were intimidated and belittled......Maxwell did a great job often having affected young players staying with him at his house.
I can confirm that.
I have a friend who experienced it first hand, told me Collingwood was one of the most uncomfortable places to be on the planet. He described it as almost perverse in nature such was the preferential treatment of some and the belittling of others, like private boys school stuff! He said the superstars were virtually encouraged to talk down to the also rans, like it was a contest of survival for the newcomers. A clique!
Re: Cripps on the couch - Thryleon - 05-17-2018
If anyone thinks that any team environment on the planet doesnt match the conditions listed above regarding being belittled by the in group, and on the outer with the others then they are kidding themselves.
Re: Cripps on the couch - Baggers - 05-18-2018
(05-17-2018, 11:58 AM)kruddler link Wrote:re Collingwood. Tony Shaw appointed Buckley as captain before Mick got there. Buckley was the divisive factor of the club and caused the factions. Micks was to fix that was to pick a captain who could bring them together.
Point i was making was that picking the WRONG captain (Buckley) can CAUSE factions to form. Despite being the best player at the club and setting a good example on how to train, and perform on match day...he lacked the leadership to bring the group together. Nick Maxwell was the opposite to Buckley.
Could Cripps be our Buckley? I'm not sure.
Doc seems less likely to be.
Wow, talking about drawing on a long bow... with some pretty peculiar logic, spanks of 'let's choose the lesser of two evils' kind of attitude. To even think for a moment that Crippa is anything like Buckley is bizarre. Watch Crippa's interviews again... he comes across a quality person, with towering humility. Nothing humble about Buckley... smart? Yes. Witty? Yes. Champion player? Yes. But there is much about him that comes across as a condescending self absorbed pr1ck.
Doc, like Crippa, comes across as a quality person, with strong footy smarts and communication skills. And, like Crippa, a seeming authentic love of the CFC.
Doc and Crippa are both worthy Captains of the CFC, can your brain grasp that reality without having to find a potential fault in one to justify appointing the other? Can you perhaps trust the CFC and those close to both of them (and others) to make the right decision? And that just might be joint skippers... or not. Either way, does it really matter? They both love the place and want to drive success and are bona fide leaders. To even mention Crippa's name in the same sentence as Buckley is very offensive.
Many organisations have groups within groups and it is then dependent on the senior management to dismantle these 'exclusive' groups to create a more 'inclusive' environment and unless you've been hiding under a rock, it is blatantly obvious that BB is creating an environment solidly underpinned by inclusiveness.... whole of club inclusiveness, this kind of culture will weed out self-interested pr1cks rather quickly... or provide them with the tools to change.
Re: Cripps on the couch - Thryleon - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 12:10 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Wow, talking about drawing on a long bow... with some pretty peculiar logic, spanks of 'let's choose the lesser of two evils' kind of attitude. To even think for a moment that Crippa is anything like Buckley is bizarre. Watch Crippa's interviews again... he comes across a quality person, with towering humility. Nothing humble about Buckley... smart? Yes. Witty? Yes. Champion player? Yes. But there is much about him that comes across as a condescending self absorbed pr1ck.
Doc, like Crippa, comes across as a quality person, with strong footy smarts and communication skills. And, like Crippa, a seeming authentic love of the CFC.
Doc and Crippa are both worthy Captains of the CFC, can your brain grasp that reality without having to find a potential fault in one to justify appointing the other? Can you perhaps trust the CFC and those close to both of them (and others) to make the right decision? And that just might be joint skippers... or not. Either way, does it really matter? They both love the place and want to drive success and are bona fide leaders. To even mention Crippa's name in the same sentence as Buckley is very offensive.
Many organisations have groups within groups and it is then dependent on the senior management to dismantle these 'exclusive' groups to create a more 'inclusive' environment and unless you've been hiding under a rock, it is blatantly obvious that BB is creating an environment solidly underpinned by inclusiveness.... whole of club inclusiveness, this kind of culture will weed out self-interested pr1cks rather quickly... or provide them with the tools to change.
+1
It may even be as simple as going to a vote and allowing the playing group to structure up the leadership group they demand.
The day we can do that, we know we have turned the corner as a footy club!
Re: Cripps on the couch - LP - 05-18-2018
Listening to Liddle's recent 3AW interview, I'm now even stronger on Doc as captain.
Re: Cripps on the couch - JonHenry - 05-18-2018
(05-17-2018, 12:12 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:The other player who Mick used to placate the groups was Luke Ball who came into the club and was a opposite of Swan, Didak, Shaw etc etc but still managed to get on with everyone and had the respect of every player.
I heard the opposite of Ball.
Was so self centered he didn't give time to anyone, including a young guy he was supposed to be mentoring.
Re: Cripps on the couch - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-18-2018
(05-18-2018, 03:48 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:I heard the opposite of Ball.
Was so self centered he didn't give time to anyone, including a young guy he was supposed to be mentoring.
I was told by a Collingwood U18 scout who was one of the dads I used to see at my kids basketball games that Ball was non factional and a good influence on the younger group and during the year
he had off with injury he was very good as a role model for recovery work. Very matey with Chris Dawes who wasnt a Rat pack favourite was Ball...Dawes was one kid they couldnt intimidate when he arrived at Collingwood.
Re: Cripps on the couch - kruddler - 05-21-2018
(05-18-2018, 12:10 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Wow, talking about drawing on a long bow... with some pretty peculiar logic, spanks of 'let's choose the lesser of two evils' kind of attitude. To even think for a moment that Crippa is anything like Buckley is bizarre. Watch Crippa's interviews again... he comes across a quality person, with towering humility. Nothing humble about Buckley... smart? Yes. Witty? Yes. Champion player? Yes. But there is much about him that comes across as a condescending self absorbed pr1ck.
That is somewhat out of context.
I wasn't saying Cripps was the same as Buckley, just saying we don't know if he is.
We are not 'in' the club, so we can't comment.
The whole point is you just don't pick 'the best player' and make them captain as that isn't always the best thing to do. I simply cited Buckley as an example of that.
No doubt Cripps is the best player. Just doubt over if he is the best captain.