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Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - cookie2 - 04-01-2018
(04-01-2018, 12:45 PM)LP link Wrote:Didn't Phillips play most of the game in Craigieburn, I've heard reports he had 30 or so hit-outs from his ToG and scored a goal?
Which highlights even more how much bullcrap the whole Kreuzer will play charade was!
I sort of heard that but wasn't sure. Good news if true.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - Barbs - 04-01-2018
(04-01-2018, 12:07 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:So what are the likely ins and outs this week. Kruze will miss again I reckon hence a tall will come in, Phillips or H? Where is Lobbe at?In my opinion:
We need to change up the fwd line, how about LeBois and Kerr? Will SOS stay in the 2s and will Weiters join him? Lang, Willo, Bam Bam? Byrne will be out to injury, personally I think that experiment is over and should never play 1s again.
Lots of questions, lots go change needed coz what we are trying ain’t working.
Out Polson, Byrne, Weiters
In Bam Bam, H, Kerr
Out
O'Shea
Mullet
Polson
Byrne (injured)
Weitering
In
Kreuzer (hopefully)
McKay
Kennedy (Graham if still injured)
Kerridge
Jack Silvagni
Maybe Dow for O'Brien. Williamson in as soon as he's fit to play.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - blue4life - 04-02-2018
(04-01-2018, 12:37 PM)LP link Wrote:I was a Watts booster at the time, I think he adds structure and flexibility. Carlton should be the last club to bag him out, some of his best games came against us when they used him as an onballer!
150 games, just turning 27, averaging about 16 touches and a goal a game in a poorly performing side, excellent skills, and Port paid pick 30 odd for him!
He was pick one and Melbourne supporters have been pissed with him since day one because he's not a champion, but if anyone should know all about that situation and disregard it when assessing him it's Carlton.
We've been taking pot shots at Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer for years after all.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - PaulP - 04-02-2018
(04-02-2018, 02:10 AM)blue4life link Wrote:150 games, just turning 27, averaging about 16 touches and a goal a game in a poorly performing side, excellent skills, and Port paid pick 30 odd for him!
He was pick one and Melbourne supporters have been pissed with him since day one because he's not a champion, but if anyone should know all about that situation and disregard it when assessing him it's Carlton.
We've been taking pot shots at Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer for years after all.
I have no opinion one way or the other re Watts, but if he ended up at Carlton, he would have taken Gibbs' place as the whipping boy du jour.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - LP - 04-02-2018
(04-02-2018, 02:10 AM)blue4life link Wrote:150 games, just turning 27, averaging about 16 touches and a goal a game in a poorly performing side, excellent skills, and Port paid pick 30 odd for him!
He was pick one and Melbourne supporters have been pissed with him since day one because he's not a champion, but if anyone should know all about that situation and disregard it when assessing him it's Carlton.
We've been taking pot shots at Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer for years after all.
Now our fans are kicking Weitering, and after just two games the radicals have started questioning Dow's future labelling him a chook runner!
The low draft picks are not the problem, no kid can be expected to lift his game 200% to cover for the surrounding spuds that deliver only 50% of what they should!
It was no accident that when ACoS played in conjunction with Rowe in defence the kids around them lifted, even if the other end of the ground remained rubbish!
We need one half decent KPF aging or not, and to get Rowe or ACoS back in the side to lead the way down back, and we'll be 200% better. At the moment we have zero structure pretty much everywhere you look!
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - shawny - 04-02-2018
(04-02-2018, 02:44 AM)LP link Wrote:Now our fans are kicking Weitering, and after just two games the radicals have started questioning Dow's future labelling him a chook runner!
The low draft picks are not the problem, no kid can be expected to lift his game 200% to cover for the surrounding spuds that deliver only 50% of what they should!
It was no accident that when ACoS played in conjunction with Rowe in defence the kids around them lifted, even if the other end of the ground remained rubbish!
We need one half decent KPF aging or not, and to get Rowe or ACoS back in the side to lead the way down back, and we'll be 200% better. At the moment we have zero structure pretty much everywhere you look!
Yet agree......not much leadership let alone protection for the kids last Saturday.
The 2 you mention have presence and don't take any sh1t.
We feed our young to the wolfs then too many so called supporters bag the crap out of them when they don't fight hard enough. I heard some disgusting comments about Weiters on Saturday. I agree he is a boy in a mans body, he hates getting hurt and is now even being targeted IMO by opposition teams to hit him when ever you can cause they know he cant handle it. I agree he needs to learn to take the physical side of the game better and I know he will but FMD give him some time. Only played 2 seasons in one of the worst teams in comp. The minute he has a few quiet games he name is raised as a flop of a pick. :
Royce Hart would have struggled in our F50 on Saturday. Weiters cops a very hard front on hit that nearly knocked him out yet kicks the goal and comes straight off the ground.
Then to my amazement gets switched again and gets asked to play on a player who already had 7 goals to his name with confidence riding sky high. Was a poor decision by Bolts, not sure how that's supposed to build the boys confidence. Wouldn't you take the pressure off him rather the putting him under the spotlight!
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - blue4life - 04-02-2018
(04-02-2018, 02:35 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I have no opinion one way or the other re Watts, but if he ended up at Carlton, he would have taken Gibbs' place as the whipping boy du jour.
Guaranteed, but in his absence Murphy seems to have stepped into the void.
Daisy has escaped so far this year with a couple of reasonable games but it's only a matter of time methinks.
Maybe the club took a look at Watts and decided we simply had no room for another pariah.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - kruddler - 04-02-2018
(04-02-2018, 03:14 AM)shawny link Wrote:Yet agree......not much leadership let alone protection for the kids last Saturday.
The 2 you mention have presence and don't take any sh1t.
We feed our young to the wolfs then too many so called supporters bag the crap out of them when they don't fight hard enough. I heard some disgusting comments about Weiters on Saturday. I agree he is a boy in a mans body, he hates getting hurt and is now even being targeted IMO by opposition teams to hit him when ever you can cause they know he cant handle it. I agree he needs to learn to take the physical side of the game better and I know he will but FMD give him some time. Only played 2 seasons in one of the worst teams in comp. The minute he has a few quiet games he name is raised as a flop of a pick. :
Royce Hart would have struggled in our F50 on Saturday. Weiters cops a very hard front on hit that nearly knocked him out yet kicks the goal and comes straight off the ground.
Then to my amazement gets switched again and gets asked to play on a player who already had 7 goals to his name with confidence riding sky high. Was a poor decision by Bolts, not sure how that's supposed to build the boys confidence. Wouldn't you take the pressure off him rather the putting him under the spotlight!
re the bold, i can't blame bolts for this.
In the 3rd he tried Weitering forward. He was trying to win the game. In the last he rolled the dice and threw Jones in the ruck to allow Casboult to back forward and provide another marking option we were sorely missing up forward. That meant weitering had to go back to cover Jones.
Obviously neither option worked, but there was no point doing the same thing we were already doing as it clearly wasn't working.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - PaulP - 04-02-2018
(04-02-2018, 03:14 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Guaranteed, but in his absence Murphy seems to have stepped into the void.
Daisy has escaped so far this year with a couple of reasonable games but it's only a matter of time methinks.
Maybe the club took a look at Watts and decided we simply had no room for another pariah.
Yes, maybe, but I doubt Watts was interested in any Victorian club. Our trading / recruitment under SOS is like two extremes with no middle ground. Either high end youth (1st round draft picks), or low rent, discarded, cheap, older players. They seem to have no interest in the half decent, established Watts type players. Must be saving their pennies for someone(s) special.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood - spf - 04-02-2018
Speaking of players we target during the draft period, I think we really should be going after good players that are consistent but potentially gettable.
We could look at players such as Lachie Hunter or Jack Macrae from the Bulldogs potentially, these guys add to the team, provide depth, and, additionally can hit the scoreboard whilst bringing pressure to the ball. These are the sort of players that would have helped against Gold Coast IMHO. In many ways these types are the Mathew Wright type players, that, are regular but not the absolute top shelf that you have to sell the farm to get.