(02-26-2018, 12:10 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:People will start arming themselves here with all the crime we have had in the last couple of years.

(02-26-2018, 01:22 AM)LP link Wrote:Really???

Are they going to buy them legitimately on the black-market, because it's not so easy to be a licensed shooter anymore?

Legitimately you have to have gun safes separating firing mechanisms and ammunition from the barrel. You also have to submit to regular inspections from the police, not that I've heard anyone getting inspected but once you have weapons on-site they are permitted to do so.

Illegitimately I've heard that the typical black-market price of a gun started beyond $50k, and you basically have to unambiguously identify yourself to very undesirable types who trade in such weapons! That's a very high price to pay, and I've also some of those recent home invasions are to get hold of weapons(legit or illegal) for use in crime! :o

So getting rid of guns might discourage some of those home invasions, and if they are robbers it would be cheaper just to get robbed!

(02-26-2018, 01:34 AM)DJC link Wrote:Not quite right LP; ammunition must be stored separately but there is no requirement to render firearms inoperable.  Inspections are conducted regularly and there is no discretion if the security requirements aren't followed; the shooter's licence is cancelled and firearms confiscated on the spot. 

As for people arming themselves, there's never been a safer time to live in Victoria and, as my defence tactics instructor was fond of saying, if you arm yourself, it's likely that the baddies will take your weapon and use it against you.

(02-26-2018, 01:34 AM)DJC link Wrote:Not quite right LP; ammunition must be stored separately but there is no requirement to render firearms inoperable.  Inspections are conducted regularly and there is no discretion if the security requirements aren't followed; the shooter's licence is cancelled and firearms confiscated on the spot. 

As for people arming themselves, there's never been a safer time to live in Victoria and, as my defence tactics instructor was fond of saying, if you arm yourself, it's likely that the baddies will take your weapon and use it against you.

(02-26-2018, 03:28 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:My Daughter who lives out West in Melbourne has just called us to say there was a home invasion a street away from hers, Sudanese young blokes with base ball bats and crow bars. Given the police are 20 mins-30 mins away and usually flat out some of the neighbors in the street are suggesting its not so safe in Victoria and arming themselves might be an alternative. She already had an issue another time with a couple of similar types hanging around her car which was parked in the driveway about 9pm at night, they ran away when her partner and their two German Shepherds appeared after having their evening walk.
They found out later they had smashed a couple of other cars in the street and tried to steal a few as well....the police of course rocked up after the event.
Its like being in South Africa  in some areas rather than Australia and its only a matter of time before someone does shoot at these scum who think terrifying people in their homes is acceptable.

(02-26-2018, 03:17 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:One farmer found it very coincidental that he was robbed of his firearms shortly after a routine inspection. This is the type of stuff I am really concerned about.

(02-26-2018, 03:46 AM)LP link Wrote:I've heard that Vicpol is keeping the theft of firearms quiet as they search for the culprits.

I'd also heard a rumor a while back that there is a possibility that the licensing database had been hacked but that the claim is the data is/was encrypted. Maybe it has been hacked and the data is wide open! :o If true then the problem isn't some bunch of immigrant kids, it has to be organised.

There are some rumors floating around about "Eastern European" types, I'm reading this as Russian organised crime, recruiting drug addicted teenagers some of which will be African immigrants.

(02-26-2018, 03:41 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Just been reading about the situation in Italy where some of the African migrants are beginning to get distinctly nervous as the anger and antipathy of the locals rise. The recent case of the murder of a young woman by an African migrant has highlighted this. It triggered a revenge attack by an Italian man that has been praised by some, especially by the girls parents. Very very concerning imo as to how subsequent events may unfold.