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Re: Leadership Group 2018 - Gointocarlton - 01-23-2018
(01-23-2018, 10:09 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Whatever issues I have with MM at Carlton, the Pies 2011 season was sensational. 20 wins, 2 losses, 167.66%. That's what I'd like to see from us.F---ed in the big dance though, good effort though. I hoped MM could do the same for us, alas.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - PaulP - 01-23-2018
(01-23-2018, 10:12 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:F---ed in the big dance though, good effort though. I hoped MM could do the same for us, alas.
Yes, he picked a great time to have a nana nap.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - LoveNavy - 01-23-2018
Like others I'd like to see Murphy captain this year. Doc and Crippa would be my next picks. Ideally with Murphy as mentor in 2019. I certainly see Weiters leadership skills developing. I'd expect him to blossom a bit later on.
Given the age profiles, I'd be pleased to see a seasoned deputy alongside a younger bloke. Simmo, Ed, perhaps Kruez would be a good fit. As would Doc and Crippa. If it's a bigger group I could see Sam Rowe or Matty Wright fill the role effectively. Smokey - The Jones boy
Go new Blues
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - flyboy77 - 01-29-2018
Agreed, given Doc's injury, Smurf remains as Captain this year.
Crippa, Ed Curnow and Doc as VCs.
Weiters?
Let the kid find his feet onfield before loading him with any other burdens!
If Ollie Wines comes east next year is he a leadership type?
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - LP - 01-30-2018
(01-29-2018, 10:41 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:If Ollie Wines comes east next year is he a leadership type?
The minute you appoint newbies to leadership group you're on a losing strategy, you are basically told the current list they don't cut the mustard, which is exactly the message players and player managers take from an event like that!
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-30-2018
(01-30-2018, 01:51 AM)LP link Wrote:The minute you appoint newbies to leadership group you're on a losing strategy, you are basically told the current list they don't cut the mustard, which is exactly the message players and player managers take from an event like that!
You add players like Wines or Lynch and you put them in the leadership group you wouldnt make them captain or vice captain IMO.
This year is another rebuild year and I would expect Murphy to be a caretaker captain until Cripps or Docherty get given the role the following season....
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - LP - 01-30-2018
(01-30-2018, 02:50 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:You add players like Wines or Lynch and you put them in the leadership group you wouldnt make them captain or vice captain IMO.
This year is another rebuild year and I would expect Murphy to be a caretaker captain until Cripps or Docherty get given the role the following season....
No doubt you are free to do whatever you like on the leadership group, and existing players and agents are free to read into that whatever they like!
It's not about the decision, it's about the effect it has on the group, we are not talking about a Judd or Kernahan.
As much as a like Judd, I thought making him captain so early was a mistake. Easy in hindsight to say he did the job, set the standards, but would he have taken more along with him if he earned it side-by-side first? Would it have been reasonable to appoint Carrazzo, Stevens or Scotland in the interim, is there a place for due process?
Even Kernahan had to wait a year before going from a list player straight to captain, and in my opinion he's the best captain we've had for 30 years and widely considered one of the AFL/VFL best, but he played a season under Maclure! It wouldn't have been out of place to appoint Dean or Hunter though even if it were interim!
We laud them as stars, but that doesn't mean their team-mates won't see them as peers!
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - Pratty - 01-30-2018
With Docherty injured, Murphy will probably remain. I'd have given it to Doc this year had he not got injured.
What I would do, is go with Murphy and Cripps as co-captains.
Others in the leadership group mix for mine, would be - Docherty, Simpson, Ed Curnow, Kreuzer and Plowman.
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - LP - 01-30-2018
(01-30-2018, 08:58 AM)Pratty link Wrote:With Docherty injured, Murphy will probably remain. I'd have given it to Doc this year had he not got injured.
What I would do, is go with Murphy and Cripps as co-captains.
Others in the leadership group mix for mine, would be - Docherty, Simpson, Ed Curnow, Kreuzer and Plowman.
Quite impressed with SpecialK in recent times, he's grown as a player and now commands a presence in the media and on-field.
I've no problem at all for him to be a captain, co-captain or 2IC!
Re: Leadership Group 2018 - DJC - 01-30-2018
(01-30-2018, 08:58 AM)Pratty link Wrote:With Docherty injured, Murphy will probably remain. I'd have given it to Doc this year had he not got injured.
What I would do, is go with Murphy and Cripps as co-captains.
Others in the leadership group mix for mine, would be - Docherty, Simpson, Ed Curnow, Kreuzer and Plowman.
Co-captains; for when your club is too weak and/or dysfunctional to make a decision. I hope we never go down that road.
I reckon Murphy would have been captain this year regardless of Docherty's injury. However, I believe that succession planning is in place and Murphy will be grooming his successor for 2019. I won't be surprised if it turns out to be someone other than the favoured candidates and it won't surprise me if it's not a long term appointment; I think that the club has made significant advances in leadership development and many players could be legitimate contenders over the coming years.
(01-29-2018, 10:41 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:If Ollie Wines comes east next year is he a leadership type?
While I accept LP's point about such an appointment being a possible source of discontent, it's not out of the question. A marquee player would be expected to be a leader and could certainly be parachuted into the leadership group. However, he would have to want the role and the playing group would have to recognise and endorse his leadership claims.