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Re: The Brisbane Test - flyboy77 - 11-27-2017
Massive psychological blow to the Poms.
We were pretty ordinary and still belted them...
Expect Stokes to arrive in the next few days....
Re: The Brisbane Test - laj - 11-27-2017
(11-26-2017, 10:46 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Bit of a incident in a bar earlier in the tour where Bairstow and Bancroft tangled....Bairstow been accused of headbutting Bancroft.
Maybe that explains the lack of love for Bancroft from the Englishmen....
There's Bancroft's after match interview. Clears it up a bit. Interesting greeting as a way of say "hello", which apparently all it was. Sound's a weird cat Bairstow is.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/cricket/the-ashes/it-was-a-good-hit-play-on!654231
Re: The Brisbane Test - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-27-2017
(11-27-2017, 03:37 AM)laj link Wrote:There's Bancroft's after match interview. Clears it up a bit. Interesting greeting as a way of say "hello", which apparently all it was. Sound's a weird cat Bairstow is.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/cricket/the-ashes/it-was-a-good-hit-play-on!654231
Think Bancroft played a straight bat, reckon Bairstow clocked him one and meant it.....watched a interview with Bairstow and I reckon he is still badly affected by his fathers death and the circumstances.
Dont think it would take much to trigger him into a fight and there was a rumour he might have had another incident around the time of the Ben Stokes punch fest but it was let go and no charges laid.
Re: The Brisbane Test - LP - 11-27-2017
(11-27-2017, 04:20 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Think Bancroft played a straight bat, reckon Bairstow clocked him one and meant it.....watched a interview with Bairstow and I reckon he is still badly affected by his fathers death and the circumstances.
Shizen, that was 20 years ago!
I'd think if he's got a problem now it's more to do with his own mental health rather than what his father went through.
Re: The Brisbane Test - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-27-2017
(11-27-2017, 05:09 AM)LP link Wrote:Shizen, that was 20 years ago!
I'd think if he's got a problem now it's more to do with his own mental health rather than what his father went through.
He has just put out a book where he talks about his father and how he coped etc....its still fresh.... but I agree his own mental health is probably an issue..
I'd like to think other players dont use that to their advantage, hence his problems with Bancroft and others...??
Re: The Brisbane Test - dodge - 11-27-2017
Very well played, Bancroft. Said enough without being explicit - and was quite funny too.
What on earth are the Journos doing. If this was an issue it would have come out weeks ago. Interesting that the Aussies used this against Bairstow when he was batting...
Re: The Brisbane Test - JonHenry - 11-27-2017
(11-27-2017, 12:43 AM)LP link Wrote:I think he plays it safe, to understand my criticism you have to compare the pressure cooker environment created by captains like Taylor and Ponting.
Ponting is not a great example.
Taylor was a genius.
Ponting didn't create pressure he released it with defensive fields.
Probably found it hard to adjust after he lost McGrath I guess
Re: The Brisbane Test - laj - 11-27-2017
(11-27-2017, 11:20 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Ponting is not a great example.
Taylor was a genius.
Ponting didn't create pressure he released it with defensive fields.
Probably found it hard to adjust after he lost McGrath I guess
Yes, as great as batsman as Ponting was he certainly struggled with the captaincy. That showed up after we started to lose the champions players. Ian Chappell, Taylor and Clarke were the best 3 I come across, closely followed by Border, who took a while to grow into the role but when he did he was very good.
Re: The Brisbane Test - LP - 11-28-2017
I think Border, Ponting, Hughes and Yallop were under-rated, and I think Clarke, Waugh, Gilchrist and Greg Chappell were over-rated, but they are all clearly better than Smith.
In fairness it's hard to get a clear handle on Waugh, Ponting and Gilchrist, because if not for his issues and feck-ups Warne would clearly have been captain from a pure cricketing perspective.
It's too easy to judge captaincy based on individual performance, Waugh, Gilchrist and Smith are examples of the positive influence great individual performances have on the assessment of their captaincy. While Yallop and Hughes are perfect examples of how bad individual form can cruel your reputation, not matter what sort of cake you make form the crap around you!
Re: The Brisbane Test - laj - 11-28-2017
(11-28-2017, 12:21 AM)LP link Wrote:I think Border, Ponting, Hughes and Yallop were under-rated, and I think Clarke, Waugh, Gilchrist and Greg Chappell were over-rated, but they are all clearly better than Smith.
In fairness it's hard to get a clear handle on Waugh, Ponting and Gilchrist, because if not for his issues and feck-ups Warne would clearly have been captain from a pure cricketing perspective.
It's too easy to judge captaincy based on individual performance, Waugh, Gilchrist and Smith are examples of the positive influence great individual performances have on the assessment of their captaincy. While Yallop and Hughes are perfect examples of how bad individual form can cruel your reputation, not matter what sort of cake you make form the crap around you!
Ponting, Hughes and Yallop a better captain than Smith? Are you kidding? They we awful. Smith's a solid captain, not poor but not going to be one of the great ones either. Better than those 3 though.
Waugh was never a great on-field captain, always too rigid and narrow in his thinking and could never think outside the box. His fault we lost in India in a series that should've been well won in 2001. Captained the greatest team we had and did lead by example and really was able to get the players behind him.
Gilchrist only filled-in as captain but won the series in India in 2004 in Ponting absence.
Clarke was a great captain. Given a very ordinary team well down the rankings but got them back to world no.1 eventually. Very smart on-field.