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Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - hanwell - 05-29-2017
My read on it is that we are "going to the draft" this year, and next year will make a big play. Tom Lynch is a free agent next year, top up the mids this year and go hard for Tom, a Blairgowie boy, for 2019....
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Pratty - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 03:06 AM)hanwell link Wrote:My read on it is that we are "going to the draft" this year, and next year will make a big play. Tom Lynch is a free agent next year, top up the mids this year and go hard for Tom, a Blairgowie boy, for 2019....
Maybe, though I'm a bit unsure.
My take is we should be active in the Trade and TA market this year.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Thryleon - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 01:17 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I would not be keen on what amounts to a swap of Cas for Tippett.
I know what you are saying, but its about team balance with greater potential for output. Tippet would absolutely be of greater help to Kreuzer in the ruck and around the ground, and if we got him as a delisted free agent (not as a trade), and lose Casboult as a free agent via the free agency compensation model, I imagine Casboult would net us a second rounder as compensation. I would estimate that would be his value on the open market.
Im looking to strengthen our hand for the draft, and not weaken our team structure which is what I imagine SOS is trying to achieve at the trade table each time.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - LP - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 01:17 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I would not be keen on what amounts to a swap of Cas for Tippett.
I agree Tippett is over-rated, he is no better than Casboult around the ground and is weaker over-head.
I'd rather keep Casboult if that is our option, because at least Casboult looks likely as a CHF. If he keeps kicking straight opponents will start to respect him more and won't run off him. Further I like the look of his mobility around F50 stoppages, when he has momentum and makes use of it he's a very big boy! Casboult will be even better if some of the younger guys start to demand some respect, and also stop taking their opponents to his marking contests.
(05-29-2017, 04:05 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:.............. I imagine Casboult would net us a second rounder as compensation. I would estimate that would be his value on the open market.
I'm not sure, maybe a very late 2nd Rnd pick, but most likely a 3rd Rnd pick and maybe a top up list player. The problem as I see it is that if you are a prospective buyer you need Casboult and Sav Rocca, if you don't have the pair you potentially have nada! Rocca really is working a miracle!
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - PaulP - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 04:05 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I know what you are saying, but its about team balance with greater potential for output. Tippet would absolutely be of greater help to Kreuzer in the ruck and around the ground, and if we got him as a delisted free agent (not as a trade), and lose Casboult as a free agent via the free agency compensation model, I imagine Casboult would net us a second rounder as compensation. I would estimate that would be his value on the open market.
Im looking to strengthen our hand for the draft, and not weaken our team structure which is what I imagine SOS is trying to achieve at the trade table each time.
Those are fair points Thry, but I'm still not sure. Tippett's career thus far has been distinctly underwhelming. He would be a better 2nd ruck than Cas, but he's older, would be more expensive, and has no real presence (Cas is a bit better, but not by much). Plus Cas is a better contested mark, and given his current form, is a better kick for goal. I realize Cas' net worth is now as high as it's likely to be, and one side of the argument says sell now. But on the other hand an argument could be made that says we have put serious amounts of time and effort and resources into getting him sorted, why should others reap the benefits, especially the replacement is of dubious value ?
My devalued Aussie dollar's worth.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Thryleon - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 04:18 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Those are fair points Thry, but I'm still not sure. Tippett's career thus far has been distinctly underwhelming. He would be a better 2nd ruck than Cas, but he's older, would be more expensive, and has no real presence (Cas is a bit better, but not by much). Plus Cas is a better contested mark, and given his current form, is a better kick for goal. I realize Cas' net worth is now as high as it's likely to be, and one side of the argument says sell now. But on the other hand an argument could be made that says we have put serious amounts of time and effort and resources into getting him sorted, why should others reap the benefits, especially the replacement is of dubious value ?
My devalued Aussie dollar's worth.
All good Paulp, variety is the spice of life as they say and a different opinion is always handy.
I just look at Harry Mckay, Levi, and do the maths, and in about two years time, one of them will be depth (or gone), and the other will be a starting 22 player.
Tippett just turned 30, he can be depth at 32. Casboult is only 27 and will be 29 in the prime years of his career being displaced by Harry and might want out rather than providing us with depth.
All this is as an alternative to selling the farm to get Schache too.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - LP - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 05:08 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:All good Paulp, variety is the spice of life as they say and a different opinion is always handy.
I just look at Harry Mckay, Levi, and do the maths, and in about two years time, one of them will be depth (or gone), and the other will be a starting 22 player.
Tippett just turned 30, he can be depth at 32. Casboult is only 27 and will be 29 in the prime years of his career being displaced by Harry and might want out rather than providing us with depth.
All this is as an alternative to selling the farm to get Schache too.
I seriously think if Kreuzer is still at Carlton and doing the solo ruck stuff there is room for both McKay and Casboult. McKay is ultra-mobile compared to Casboult.
For me McKay competes with SoJ.
Casboult competes more with Kerr.
SoJ could well end up on a wing or in the backline long term.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - jeza - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 01:02 AM)sandsmere link Wrote:Nothing official Pretty.
I have a good mate who lives in Sydney and is a member of GWS. He reckons they will have to let some
good regulars go because of salary cap problems .
And Trigger did say a few weeks ago that we were looking to sign a marquee player.
We sure need a good KPF.
I'd be happy if we gave up our 1st & 2nd round picks for the next 2 years to get Josh Kelly + Zac Jones.
Swans & GWS both have massive salary cap problems ... yay!
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - Jofo - 05-29-2017
No to Schache. No to Josh Kelly. No to Zac Jones (What do people see in him, that I don't?) Go to the draft. 2019 is the year to land some big, midfield fish.
Re: Should we chase Josh Schache? - townsendcalling - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 06:48 AM)Jofo link Wrote:No to Schache. No to Josh Kelly. No to Zac Jones (What do people see in him, that I don't?) Go to the draft. 2019 is the year to land some big, midfield fish.
I'm sure that the secret whiteboard at Ikon Headquarters has a list of potential 2019 free agents and 'out of contracts' on it with a couple of significant names written in bold!