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Re: Australian Open 2017 - Mav - 01-23-2017
His tanking past? Leaving aside the Hopman Cup which is basically a warm-up, the fiasco with Seppi was just his 2nd game after the Shanghai tank. Using that sort of logic, all sins are in the past. He needs to prove himself rather than tanking every 2nd game.
Re: Australian Open 2017 - Thryleon - 01-23-2017
(01-23-2017, 02:25 PM)Mav link Wrote:His tanking past? Leaving aside the Hopman Cup which is basically a warm-up, the fiasco with Seppi was just his 2nd game after the Shanghai tank. Using that sort of logic, all sins are in the past. He needs to prove himself rather than tanking every 2nd game.
Did he tank against Seppi??
He looked pretty crestfallen regarding losing, and didnt blame anyone but himself for losing sighting poor preparation, poor physical conditioning (which leads to poor mental ability to remain in tight matches).
He does need to prove himself, there is no doubt about that, but this is for him, not everyone else.
Re: Australian Open 2017 - LP - 01-23-2017
(01-23-2017, 06:59 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:The accusation of tanking is interesting. Just because everyone calls it tanking, doesn't mean he necessarily did. Its kind of hypocritical. We have someone who is admonished for not doing the work in to be a professional athlete, and then when he plays a very flat game of tennis after probably going to his limits in such a short period of time, due to poor preparation, he is then accused of tanking.
I don't see as hypocritical, I see the actions of Kyrgios as almost definitive of tanking.
You don't have to be getting a kick-back to be accused of tanking, there doesn't have to be a reward or reason for it and it doesn't just happen on the field of play.
Tanking can start on the training track or even the couch! You can prepare to tank well in advance, or you can tank by your lack of preparation, but it's still a tank!
Re: Australian Open 2017 - Thryleon - 01-24-2017
^^
I disagree.
Tanking by definition is deliberately losing.
I don't think you can accuse someone of tanking under your circumstances.
Particularly when they are actually trying to win.
At this level (read the elite competition), blokes are pushing themselves to the point of exhaustion to win matches. When you are exhausted the body actually sends the signal to the brain that its done and cannot continue pushing, and at some point the brain needs to start saying I know my limits, and I haven't reached them yet. Problem being if you only ever push to those limits on game day, you will submit to the body more frequently where the really strong inidividuals will find something somewhere and dig in to try and win. That is from the brain. But it only comes once you have been pushed to that point frequently and recognise the signs. As Carlton supporters we know exactly what this point is. Chris Judd was a prime example of going to the peak and then willing himself to the next level. Why? preparation, fitness, strength which leads to a mental fortitude that a lot players don't have. On the flipside we have a few players who were blessed physically who never really put in the work that a Judd would, and would play many poor games and the odd sterling one.
Thats where Kyrgios is at the moment. To accuse these players of tanking is too derogatory. They compete. They are just incapable of competing with players that are doing all the 1% stuff.
Most of them have learned in the past what they were doing wrong and have had more time to fix it. Kyrgios hasn't. He beat Nadal once, and thought "ive made it" and that it would be easy enough from there. He is wrong. It gets harder in time. Its very easy to be young and talented. The hard bit is going on with it, and really going to the levels you are capable of.
Re: Australian Open 2017 - PaulP - 01-24-2017
I think there ought be two categories of tanking - one where you stand to gain (draft picks, money etc.) and one where you stop trying because you simply don't care, but don't gain any benefit. Same result, but different motivation. And they should be treated differently imo.
Kyrgios is losing plenty and gaining nothing in his version.
Re: Australian Open 2017 - Wet Willie - 01-24-2017
Kyrgios wasn't the definition of tanking...
He was the definition of a young kid who is need of help - all sorts of help.
This will be addressed in the near future.
To fade like he did for no obvious reason, in prime time and on centre stage, showed the fans and the tennis world that he needs support and guidance.
Finding the right people is a challenge, but something Tennis Australia is very aware of and working hard on. They have never criticised him publicly, because they don't want to lose him to the sport. But this is more than "a bit of attitude"...
Re: Australian Open 2017 - flyboy77 - 01-29-2017
How overpaid/overrated is women's tennis....have seen about 3 good matches in 20 years.
And they must make Slam semis and finals best of 5 sets.
Re: Australian Open 2017 - Mav - 01-29-2017
Fed, you beauty!
Graceful on court and graceful off it. 100% for his speech. Heaped praise on Rafa in a particularly warm fashion. And the mutual respect between them shows men of great character. It must be hard to avoid vicious combat and occasional psychological warfare poisoning their relationship.
Great to hear that Fed attended the opening of Rafa's tennis academy late last year. And his respect for Rocket and Muscles is endearing too. He really loves the sport whereas quite a few top tennis players only love themselves.
Re: Australian Open 2017 - Mantis - 01-29-2017
I did not think he would win this one. He definately isn't what he was years ago. He still found what was needed when he needed it the most. 18 grand slam titles. Wow.
Re: Australian Open 2017 - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-29-2017
Federer was more aggressive than I have seen him, also Rafa's serve was very half rat power, I too thought Nadal would win given his record over Federer but the Swiss maestro played better than he has for a couple of years IMO..
Dont normally get too interested in the tennis but when its played at a high standard by two of the greats its compulsory viewing.....