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Re: Dobermans - LP - 08-16-2016
(08-16-2016, 11:03 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Get a peacock... nobody will sneak in, they make enough noise to wake the dead and you can eat it for Christmas.
My friends had a pair of peafowl(cock and hen), and after two or three months they pissed off and lived at their neighbours never to return!
After several attempts to get them home they gave up!Cock was a vicious bastard in spring though, no going in that backyard when the heat was on!
Re: Dobermans - cookie2 - 08-16-2016
Apparently a flock of geese also makes for a good set of guards. They quickly raise the alarm when strangers come near. You can also eat them.
Re: Dobermans - shawny - 08-16-2016
Had Bull Terriers, English Staffies and now own a beautiful family loving large male American Staffy. Wouldn't have another breed - absolutely love the bully breeds but I understand the power they have, and the amount of damage they can inflict in a very short amount of time.
Only my current one did i ever have any sort of concern with. He showed me as a pup signs of dog aggression and dominance which I quickly knew needed to be attended to. I called the breeder and I was advised to take him to a specialised dog training company called 'Alpha Dog Training'. They took him full time to their premises for extensive training for 4 weeks - wasn't cheap but considering I had youngish children at the time, it was the best money i could have spent. He returned a stable calm loving and obedient dog and is now 5 years old and is exactly the same. We were educated by professionals on what to look for and how to deal with situations. They key is constant training so the animal is very clear on his position as last in the household.
Having the animal understand he is last in the peeking order is vital with any powerful breed. Any large breed requires time, attention, strict training and ALWAYS constant attention where near young kids and/or any person or animal outside their pack. I don't care whether its a Doberman, German Shepherd, Rottie, whatever - none are worth taking a risk with a small child or infant and any responsible owner knows this.
My dog scares the crap out of anyone that doesn't know him (and even some that do) - however he is a wonderful companion, protector and friend of my direct family including my children who adore him BUT we are very responsible owners and always use caution even when we are 99.9% sure he can be trusted.
Lots of things in life are dangerous in the wrong hands - Powerful breeds are no different. If you don't want to professionally train if needed, not allow the animal to spend any time with infants or very young children (if not part of his pack), as well as strict supervision of the dog with young children even if in his pack....then get an alarm system and forget any of the powerful or large breeds.
Re: Dobermans - cookie2 - 08-16-2016
@Shawny
Excellent advice mate!
Re: Dobermans - Baggers - 08-17-2016
(08-16-2016, 10:50 PM)shawny link Wrote:Had Bull Terriers, English Staffies and now own a beautiful family loving large male American Staffy. Wouldn't have another breed - absolutely love the bully breeds but I understand the power they have, and the amount of damage they can inflict in a very short amount of time.
Only my current one did i ever have any sort of concern with. He showed me as a pup signs of dog aggression and dominance which I quickly knew needed to be attended to. I called the breeder and I was advised to take him to a specialised dog training company called 'Alpha Dog Training'. They took him full time to their premises for extensive training for 4 weeks - wasn't cheap but considering I had youngish children at the time, it was the best money i could have spent. He returned a stable calm loving and obedient dog and is now 5 years old and is exactly the same. We were educated by professionals on what to look for and how to deal with situations. They key is constant training so the animal is very clear on his position as last in the household.
Having the animal understand he is last in the peeking order is vital with any powerful breed. Any large breed requires time, attention, strict training and ALWAYS constant attention where near young kids and/or any person or animal outside their pack. I don't care whether its a Doberman, German Shepherd, Rottie, whatever - none are worth taking a risk with a small child or infant and any responsible owner knows this.
My dog scares the crap out of anyone that doesn't know him (and even some that do) - however he is a wonderful companion, protector and friend of my direct family including my children who adore him BUT we are very responsible owners and always use caution even when we are 99.9% sure he can be trusted.
Lots of things in life are dangerous in the wrong hands - Powerful breeds are no different. If you don't want to professionally train if needed, not allow the animal to spend any time with infants or very young children (if not part of his pack), as well as strict supervision of the dog with young children even if in his pack....then get an alarm system and forget any of the powerful or large breeds.
Exactamondo. Good stuff, Shawny. Our Dobes and the Ridgey always knew they were last in the pecking order, this was established from the get-go. And if you let up for a while they'll test you, and it really is just so the hierarchy is clear. Dogs love clear boundaries.
My nephew has an American Staffy, thoroughly trained and just a brilliant dog. He's got a 3yo and newborn and the critter is totally trustworthy... but that is only due to that proper and thorough training - imperative for large breeds and the only responsible thing to do.
Re: Dobermans - LP - 08-17-2016
(08-16-2016, 11:35 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@Shawny
Excellent advice mate!
x10000
Sometimes things can be out of your control too.
We have a largish breed dog, and a neighbor who has no responsibility for the behavior of their small breed dog. They are allowed to roam free, bark and harass anyone in the immediate vicinity. Our large breed was always well trained and socialized, but the neighbors allowed their small breed to stand at our fence and bark at our dog continuously all day long. The net result is we can no longer socialize our large breed with small dogs, he hates them through no fault of our own, his training and personality have nothing to do with it!
If our dog got hold of their feather duster breed, they and the council would probably blame us for having a badly behaved dog!
Re: Dobermans - Baggers - 08-17-2016
(08-16-2016, 11:03 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Get a peacock... nobody will sneak in, they make enough noise to wake the dead and you can eat it for Christmas.
Classic!
Re: Dobermans - DJC - 08-17-2016
(08-16-2016, 11:35 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@Shawny
Excellent advice mate!
Excellent advice indeed!
One final observation from me.
My daughter has crate trained her Ridgeback. It's not something I have ever done but I will definitely do it when we acquire our next dog(s).
I was supervising my 11 month old grandson while he was playing with the Ridgeback on Monday and I noticed that he was paying too much attention to one of her dew claws. She simply stood up, walked over to her crate and waited for me to open it. Not only does the crate provide a means of confining the dog when required, it gives her a secure refuge from the little bloke and his boisterous older brothers.
Re: Dobermans - Mav - 08-17-2016
Shawny, it may be that your pup was just in a phase. I posted previously that I had a pup which enjoyed biting. One night, I remember coming home and finding my partner and our son hugging each other against a wall with our cute little pup standing in front of them and looking up expectantly. They were both upset and said they couldn't move or he'd bite them. That wasn't an isolated occasion. At one stage, my partner told me we should consider returning our pup to the breeder. The thing is that pups bite because it's fun. It's their way of playing. Watch a litter of pups and you'll see a lot of biting of rear legs. If they stayed in the litter, they'd eventually realise from their siblings' reactions that it wasn't fun for them or the mother would sort them out. But humans aren't able to simulate dog-on-dog discipline. Even worse, the biting hurts us much more than other dogs. We have thinner skin and bites which would only annoy another dog may well draw blood from us.
The biting, however, pretty much stopped within a month. There wasn't any silver bullet. We did try to let the pup know he was causing pain by squealing, as his litter mates would have done. And bigger dogs down the dog park would periodically make it clear that they wouldn't tolerate that behaviour. But the biggest factor in solving the problem was time and maturation. A month in the life of a pup is an eternity. He soon lost any desire to bite. If his teeth accidentally touched me, he would act as if he'd come into contact with an electric fence. He shows absolutely no aggression towards people. And all that happened without professional intervention or dominance training.
Could it be that your pup's aggression wasn't a sign that he had his eyes on the top job? Might it have been boisterous rough play or mere bad behaviour which needed correction? Pups aren't really like Mafiosi looking for an opportunity to whack the boss so they can take over. The very fact that the previous dogs you had didn't need dominance training should be proof of that.
By the way, I've assumed that your dog was a new pup. But trainers such as Victoria Stillwell have repeatedly shown that older "power breed" dogs with aggression problems can be turned around with positive reinforcement and by addressing the causes of the aggression. The idea they have to be dominated by a strong pack leader has been discredited.
I hope Woodstock won't believe that he has to buy into that old wive's tale if he buys a "power breed".
Re: Dobermans - Woodstock - 08-17-2016
Still reading Mav
We spoke at length last night about it. That's code for Mrs.W talks and I listen - and we decided to wait for our current Labrador to pass away before we bring a new canine into the family. Why? Because she is twelve years old, her hearing is mostly gone and the old girl has struggles lately with her rear legs, standing up and jumping into the car. We are going to make her as comfortable as possible and spoil the old girl rotten. As everyone knows, Labs have the sweetest nature. How long will she last? As long as we can ensure she has a good life. I don't like the thought of making to call when it is "time". Gonna be a hard, hard day.
So we will wait for her to pass on and do our griving. Then we'll speak to these two breeders in particular, take up the offer to visit them and talk to them and make a decision then. Make no mistake though, the dog will be professionally trained and we will make damn sure that we reinforce the rules and know what to look out for.