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Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - laj - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 05:59 AM)LP link Wrote:You keep pushing that Casboult bit in bold but it's bogus. It has delivered us massive disappointments time and time again, we rob our only useful contested mark inside F50 to have him ruck poorly around the ground. It's never worked ever because as a ruck Casboult has almost no idea other than jump and hit. He gets out-bodied by the small and medium sized players, and has zero second effort when the ball hits the ground.
All those others in bold are ruckmen turned forwards, and Tippett when in the team has played ruck all year not forward, and he does so in combination with Sinclair. Tippett hasn't played as a forward once this year, and never as a solo ruck! :o
In terms of the Dawks last year, McEvoy and Hale effectively divided ruck duties right down the middle. I agree they are dead lucky they had Hale, because without him they would have been cooked. But Hale was clearly the best ruck forward in the competition last season, better than Boyd, better than Patton, perhaps only Cameron is his equal, but rightly so GWS don't ruck Cameron anymore.
If you want to fix the forward line, find a better forward option. If you want to fix the midfield division fix the midfielders. Don't shoot yourself in the foot in the ruck hoping to cover for some other deficiency, it just doesn't work.
As for Casboult, what use is a 200cm x 100kg clunking target who can only deliver when he's played as the support act! We need a bloke who can take the top job, not play as the second banana! FFS, Liam Jones takes the heat off him and he performs, holy cow that is an indictment!
You're talking crap. i dismantled your argument completely. Spin won't change anything.
For 4 years it hasn't been bogus. We play our best with one ruck two key forwards and Casboult backing up. Be shown for the last 4 years. He marks well around the ground, better than anyone else we have, and it improves his game up forward, not to mention improving Kreuzer's game. Been that way since 2012. Our rucks are crap around the ground hence why a Kreuzer/Casboult ruck combo has work best. One ruck and Casboult was one of the few things that did work well last year in a miserable season. Levi and Everitt were able to hit the scoreboard and Levi did a decent job when he rucked too. Did a decent job as permanent 2nd ruck early in the year with Wood. You know it, I know it unless your eyes were shut. Worked well on the odd occasion we tried it this year. We actually won. Means we can pick and extra runner. What would your prefer, 2 lumbering ruckman or one ruck, help from Casboult and and an extra runner. Not a tough question for anyone that knows anything about football in regards to Carlton.
If you, or anyone else, haven't noticed that then sorry you have failed to follow football as results back that up. So spare me your spin on the subject.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - laj - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 09:27 AM)BluePhantom link Wrote:Why not have Krueze FF for the game and have Phillips No. 1 ruck and use the Bolt to pinch hit in the ruck?
Just saying....
Just ruck Kreuzer most of the day, help from Casboult, and pick and pick an extra runner. Kreuzer is a dreadful key forward.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - DJC - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 11:14 AM)laj link Wrote:Just ruck Kreuzer most of the day, help from Casboult, and pick and pick an extra runner. Kreuzer is a dreadful key forward.
Casboult's days as back-up ruckman ended with his knee injury - for this season at least.
While I wouldn't say Kreuzer is a dreadful key forward, he certainly isn't anywhere near adequate. Of course, that begs the question; who plays as key forward if Casboult is in the ruck?
At worst, the Kreuzer-Phillips combination has broken even with opposition ruck combinations with the exception of hitting the scoreboard when resting forward. There's no reason to change our ruck combination but we do need to find a way to get more value from them when resting.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 08-15-2016
(08-15-2016, 12:06 PM)DJC link Wrote:At worst, the Kreuzer-Phillips combination has broken even with opposition ruck combinations with the exception of hitting the scoreboard when resting forward. There's no reason to change our ruck combination but we do need to find a way to get more value from them when resting.
I think the apparent free scoring of opposition ruckmen gives some supporters an impression that it is normal and expected from ruckmen. But we are the exception, most of those opposition ruckmen do not kick goals on a regular basis. Excluding Tippett who is clearly a better than average KPF most rucks kick very few goals, and this season even Tippett scored 25% of his goals in one game against us!
Our problem isn't the ruck division, our problem is the KPFs and KPDs. We are generating more I50s than most teams but scoring less, we've had several games where despite losing we held a large positive I50 bias. But we don't score, and then teams take the ball to the other end and score relatively easily. Even last weekend, Brisbane stated the game scoring at 50% of I50s for their first six goals. You can't even blame the midfield for that, but certainly ball use from mids and HBFs is a problem.
As for blokes slamming the ball on their boot, it's usually a symptom of nobody running past to receive or nobody placing an effective shepherd or block.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - townsendcalling - 08-16-2016
(08-15-2016, 12:06 PM)DJC link Wrote:Casboult's days as back-up ruckman ended with his knee injury - for this season at least.
Correct. Let's see how quickly he's filling out the admissions forms at the Epworth after the last game!
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - blue4life - 08-17-2016
Casboult is a very ordinary footballer, if we are ever hoping to play in the big dance there's no point shifting the team around and playing others out of position to compensate for his weaknesses.
He's only there until we find a better option, hopefully within the next couple of years.
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - Pratty - 08-18-2016
Target in the off season the Swans Sam Naismith as our no 1 ruck or go with Phillips for an extended period of time to see if that was a traded in player worth doing.
Really though, we are playing pure ruckmen as one of our key forwards.
We need a Callum Sinclair/Ben Brown-type that is more tall forward/ruckman as opposed to the Kreuzer, Phillips, Wood, Hampson when we had him theory of playing them as a genuine marking target and key forward...doesn't work, and hasn't worked!
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 08-18-2016
(08-18-2016, 02:11 AM)Pratty link Wrote:Target in the off season the Swans Sam Naismith as our no 1 ruck or go with Phillips for an extended period of time to see if that was a traded in player worth doing.
Really though, we are playing pure ruckmen as one of our key forwards.
We need a Callum Sinclair/Ben Brown-type that is more tall forward/ruckman as opposed to the Kreuzer, Phillips, Wood, Hampson when we had him theory of playing them as a genuine marking target and key forward...doesn't work, and hasn't worked!
How many goals do you expect from this ruck/forward type?
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - DJC - 08-18-2016
Not much interest in our line up for Sunday?
It's a bit ho-hum with Sumner, Everitt and Graham added to last week's 22.
Murphy didn't get up and the match committee doesn't seem inclined to give Billy Gowers a run ???
Re: Rd 22: Pre Game asking for a PP: Carlton vs Melbourne - crashlander - 08-18-2016
Carlton
B: Zach Tuohy, Sam Rowe, Jacob Weitering.
HB: Dylan Buckley, Lachie Plowman, Sam Docherty.
C: Kade Simpson, Sam Kerridge, Ed Curnow.
HF: Jack Silvagni, Liam Jones, David Cuningham.
F: Matthew Kreuzer, Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright.
Foll: Andrew Phillips, Patrick Cripps, Bryce Gibbs.
Int: Dennis Armfield, Simon White, Liam Sumner, Dale Thomas, Andrejs Everitt, Blaine Boekhorst, Nick Graham
In: Liam Sumner, Andrejs Everitt, Nick Graham
Melbourne
B: Sam Frost, Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta.
HB: Jayden Hunt, Oscar McDonald, Tomas Bugg.
C: Christian Petracca, Bernie Vince, Dom Tyson.
HF: Angus Brayshaw, Jack Watts, Aaron Vandenberg.
F: Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Dean Kent.
Foll: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Jack Viney.
Int: Clayton Oliver, Billy Stretch, Cameron Pedersen, Viv Michie, Sam Weideman, Alex Neal-Bullen, James Harmes
In: Viv Michie, Sam Weideman, Alex Neal-Bullen