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Re: Collins - LP - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 04:42 AM)Jofo link Wrote:I don't know of any other 100 game number 19s who would be available to present the jumper. Eddie is otherwise occupied and (I think) John O'Connell passed away.
I have no problem with Collins presenting a jumper or being around the club.
We must divorce our opinions about administrative and governance issues which affect Carlton from the on-field playing history.
There are a lot of players, past greats, who have not necessarily acted in the Carlton's best interest off the field. If we don't separate their off-field from their on-field history then potentially blokes like SOS, Brown, Jesaulenko, Sheldon, Harris, Harmes, Austin, Fitzpatrick, Williams, etc., etc., would all be unwelcome back at Carlton. Which would clearly be wrong if it was the case.
Re: Collins - kruddler - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 04:42 AM)Jofo link Wrote:I don't know of any other 100 game number 19s who would be available to present the jumper. Eddie is otherwise occupied and (I think) John O'Connell passed away.
Who presented Wright with his #46 guerney? We have no 100 game players in the 46 or premiership players
Doesn't have to be a 100 game player, premiership player or even someone who wore the same number!
I'm sure those things are nice to do in the right circumstances, but you can make exceptions.
Re: Collins - MosquitoFleet - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 03:35 AM)thrunthrublu link Wrote:Thats BS. When Pratt became president and was asked what took you so long, he answered simply " i was never asked"
with so many jewish people involved in the club, going to Pratt would unequivocally deem them as failures among their community.
They only went to pratt in an absolute crisis. If they went to him earlier, much earlier, things would have been different.
Pratts only condition becoming president was the unanimous support of the board, which he had.
With Board matters, there is not enough information on the records but word of mouth,
My word of mouth is Pratt couldn't remove some directors and that was a fact.
Ask youself why Pratt did not take on the destructive elliott and take the Presidency- but 5 years after Elliott was pushed out by Collo?
In 1981 Collo was appointed Secretary-Manager of the Carlton Football Club, a position he filled with distinction for twelve years. In this time the Blues won three more flags. In 1993 he became the AFL Director of Football Operations, and in 1999 was appointed CEO of Stadium Operations Ltd, responsible for the AFL's showpiece Docklands Stadium. He was elected to the Carlton Hall of Fame in 2001, and awarded an Order of Australia for his service to the game.
In 2002 Collo returned to Princes Park as President, heading a reform group that successfully ousted the administration of high-profile incumbent John Elliott. Collins had spent much of his time as Secretary under Elliott's tenure, but there was no love lost when Carlton under Elliott was found guilty of serious breaches of the AFL's salary cap regulations. The Blues were fined heavily and denied access to the best young players in the country for three years. It was a savage blow that plummeted Carlton to the lowest point in our history, and two wooden spoons in three years resulted.
Throughout this dark and bitter time, Collins and his board worked hard to limit the damage to Carlton's profile, prestige and financial position. Despite health scares brought on by the pressures of juggling two demanding jobs, Collo led the club through some of its darkest hours until he stepped down from the Presidency in April 2006, and was replaced by Graham Smorgon.
So Collo already had another role and came back to get rid of elliott. Why ? because no one had the courage to directly take on a bloke who was wrecking the club.
so those posters that punish collo - effectively wanted Elliott to stay, because no one - i repeat no-one was prepared to take on the destructive elliott and remove him, including Pratt
so posters that say - Collo was feathering his own nest is talking BS themselves.
Re: Collins - Jofo - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 04:59 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Who presented Wright with his #46 guerney? We have no 100 game players in the 46 or premiership players
Doesn't have to be a 100 game player, premiership player or even someone who wore the same number!
I'm sure those things are nice to do in the right circumstances, but you can make exceptions.
The coach did, actually.
Re: Collins - MosquitoFleet - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 01:12 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Oh my a "brilliant Carlton administrator"?
How brilliant was it to agree to working with the AFL with the salary cap charges for a lenient sentence, then get bent over with no lube. 2 years out of the first two rounds of the draft, we got Walker due to the poor wording of the penalties, something the AFL tried to stop. I forget the fine, but it was huge for the time and more than the Essendon fine when adjusted for time. This was then said years later to be too harsh a penalty by none other that Vlad himself.
When Vlad, Ron Evans and co were holding the whip hand - we had no power. You cannot blame collo for the punishment
My only criticism of Carlton then is that they should have went to court and killed the penalties - but we had no money
He took Carlton away from home to an ground that did not suit our game and a poor return when we had strong ties to the MCG, tried to run the football department on a shoestring budget and blamed the players for being greedy expecting to be paid what the club agreed to. Then he resigned Pagan when the football world could see he wasn't the coach for Carlton.
the afl controlled the situation and sent us to Etihad - we had no say because we were insolvent
Say what you want about Essendon, but they fought the fight to stand up for their club, Collins just whimpered us into penalties that would stuff Carlton up for 15 years.
agree with you there. Hindsight a wonderful thing
So that leaves him as a premiership player and former president, I wonder if there are any more around who we could ask how to run the club, maybe if they were a former captain that would help too?
That being said I have no problem with Premiership players who wore a number presenting it to a new player, especially when they speak about pride in the jumper, however I believed Southby more.
Collo was a great administrator when at Carlton before he was President if you know your history
Re: Collins - MosquitoFleet - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 02:58 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I'd be interested to hear Collo's version one day of the conversations that transpired between he and Jackson/Evans/Demitriou back in 01/02. I seldom wish harm on anyone but I would not be sad to learn that Wayne Jackson has been inflicted with a massive infestation of air breathing piranha to his little nether region!
agree - i want someone to write the definitive story- we need the truth for the sake of our club as its an open wound still imo
Re: Collins - MosquitoFleet - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 02:03 AM)Lods link Wrote:Like most topics...too much "black and white" opinion.
Yep... You can make an argument for a poor performance as President, although we played the salary cap stuff in a morally correct manner.
When you do the wrong thing you take it on the chin. You don't delay, cloud the issue and run off to courts to win on technicalities.
I much prefer the Carlton approach to the Essendon one.
Our delay in improvement wasn't because of decisions made at the time of the cap penalties.
As for his previous efforts.
Very good player. (premiership player, hall of famer)
Outstanding (yep brilliant administator, secretary-manager (recruiter)
http://australian-rules-football.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Motley
- Kernahan, Bradley, Motley Dorotitch Williams.
-3 premierships under his watch
By all means criticise him for the things he's done wrong... but give it a little balance.
Our history may have been very different without the efforts of Ian Collins as CEO during the1980s
totally agree Lods
Re: Collins - PassIt2Carrots - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 06:41 AM)MosquitoFleet link Wrote:agree - i want someone to write the definitive story- we need the truth for the sake of our club as its an open wound still imo
You're dreaming if you think a germ like Collins would come out and admit he bent the club over for a bonus.
Re: Collins - MosquitoFleet - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 06:51 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:You're dreaming if you think a germ like Collins would come out and admit he bent the club over for a bonus.
where is the ""bonus"'"on the record?
he removed himself from the board decision by the club to go to etihad did he not?
Re: Collins - PassIt2Carrots - 04-16-2016
(04-16-2016, 06:52 AM)MosquitoFleet link Wrote:where is the ""bonus"'"on the record?
You do understand how the corporate world works don't you?