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Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-09-2015
(06-09-2015, 12:03 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Must play David Ellard in the seniors.
We need to build our culture the right way.
23 posessions, 10 clearances, 3 Goals in a narrow loss.
It wouldnt be fair for him not to get a game in the ones on the back of that effort. Sends the right message. I keep being reminded we are getting beaten anyway, and if we are going to do so, this is one part of the puzzle we need to get right.
What has happened to Skittles?
I'd be going for youth rather than the tried and failed......promote one of Walsh, Fields and Gowers is the way forward IMO, Holman is another we need to try.
Ellard is a handy player in the VFL only IMO and while I take your point about rewarding effort we have been down this path with him before and it always
ends with him failing in the seniors and returning to the VFL...
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Thryleon - 06-09-2015
(06-09-2015, 12:10 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'd be going for youth rather than the tried and failed......promote one of Walsh, Fields and Gowers is the way forward IMO, Holman is another we need to try.
Ellard is a handy player in the VFL only IMO and while I take your point about rewarding effort we have been down this path with him before and it always
ends with him failing in the seniors and returning to the VFL...
Sure Elwood, and thats why you delist him or trade him at the end of the season because he has been tested and found wanting, but whilst he is with us earning a game the right way, he is setting an example to follow, and the onus is on others to displace him from the seniors, rather than just black ban him for not being good enough.
This is the way to build our culture. In a weekend where Yarran and Ellard both got 23 posessions in the VFL, one was bog and the other was probably his usual classy self, but probably just went.
Chapman was made to wait 4 weeks before getting senior elevation under Thompson back then. We seem to be rewarding players for being young, and for being talented, and not necessarily for playing well. That to me is a sure sign of a club that is not holding itself to high enough standards IMHO. We made the same mistakes with Brock Mclean a few years ago under Ratten as well. He was frozen out of the seniors even though he was performing at a class above the VFL. This is a run of games where Ellard has done what it takes to get a game.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Baggers - 06-09-2015
(06-09-2015, 12:10 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'd be going for youth rather than the tried and failed......promote one of Walsh, Fields and Gowers is the way forward IMO, Holman is another we need to try.
Ellard is a handy player in the VFL only IMO and while I take your point about rewarding effort we have been down this path with him before and it always
ends with him failing in the seniors and returning to the VFL...
Spot on. Sad, but true.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - cookie2 - 06-09-2015
Sorry, no more Ellard in the seniors. He is not part of our future and we must be looking seriously at other options. Thanks Davie for all your hard work and years of service.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - crashlander - 06-09-2015
(06-08-2015, 10:22 AM)Sexybronco link Wrote:Liam Jones obviously didn't play otherwise his name would have been up in lights??He did play, but he didn't do a lot from the sounds of things. He took a couple of marks. That is all I know.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Pratty - 06-09-2015
Barker, I would be building the blocks for my future midfield right now.
Under Murphy and Gibbs:
- Cripps, Graham, Holman, Walsh, Whiley, Gowers.
These are the guys we must play as much as possible.
Cripps and Graham should play out the year, Cripps ofcourse but Graham too hopefully will only get better,
Holman absolutely deserves a crack and so does Walsh. Those two in ASAP added to Cripps and Graham.
I'd like to get Boekhorst in and maybe even look at half-back for him but I reckon he's creative enough to get a go. Maybe for Tutt.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - shadesy - 06-09-2015
(06-09-2015, 12:03 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Must play David Ellard in the seniors.
We need to build our culture the right way.
23 posessions, 10 clearances, 3 Goals in a narrow loss.
It wouldnt be fair for him not to get a game in the ones on the back of that effort. Sends the right message. I keep being reminded we are getting beaten anyway, and if we are going to do so, this is one part of the puzzle we need to get right.
What has happened to Skittles?
Only if he was meeting his KPI's though right
What was his defensive pressure like, considering he'll be playing the small forward role?
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - ItsOurTime - 06-09-2015
(06-09-2015, 03:21 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Only if he was meeting his KPI's though right
What was his defensive pressure like, considering he'll be playing the small forward role?
Thry wanted us to extend Mick's contract on the back of last year's shakey season, to sign up Barker now, to take invaluable experience from our up and commers and give it to guys we want to delist.
I'm pretty sure he's trying to sink the club
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - Thryleon - 06-09-2015
(06-09-2015, 04:49 AM)ItsOurTime link Wrote:Thry wanted us to extend Mick's contract on the back of last year's shakey season, to sign up Barker now, to take invaluable experience from our up and commers and give it to guys we want to delist.
I'm pretty sure he's trying to sink the club
Thats some massive para phrasing right there.
Ill leave it at that. No point uncovering ground already covered. Time to move forward and If Barker still wants the senior gig at our club after being in the main man's shoes for a little while, good luck to him.
The pressure cooker will turn up in about 2.5 years regardless of what happens.
It's a privilidge to play for Carlton. Something some of the boys might need to learn.
Re: VFL Round 8: Northern Blues vs. Coburg - spf - 06-09-2015
I was at the game yesterday but missed most of the first quarter.
Liam Jones struggled all day and was largely ineffective from what I saw. He tried hard and ran to contests but what I noticed most he seems to get there second a lot and his overhead marking wasn't dominant even though he was larger than many of the players around him. I think what others posters have written about him is true - he does actually play small.
I thought that Jaksch was okay in parts and seemed to lose a bit of confidence when he made a few mistakes - admittedly one of them probably ended up costing us the game in the last quarter when he simply had to mark, spilt it and then that allowed a two on one for Coburg to basically seal the match. He did however slot a fantastic goal from nearly 60m out and whilst he had the wind with him it never looked like missing on about a 45 degree angle. Quite a hoof. It would be interesting to see how he went as a forward because there is a bit to work with I think.
Other talls such as Watson really lumbered around and I just don't see him ever really getting any better than he is but he does have a nice kick on him at times.
I thought Yarran looked disinterested at times and a couple of those possessions really belong to others who actually kicked back to him to give him the ball and you could see the feeling was Yarran was the better ball user so they kicked it to him. Unfortunately he tried too much at times and many of his kicks were not the usual high standard. Also missing from his game was the running drive and he just seemed to trot around rather than get involved. No doubt in my mind he could be one of the best players in the comp if he wanted to be.