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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-15-2021

It's looking like AZ is better protection anyway, OS stats are hinting AZ treated people do not lose immunity / resistance as quickly as the mRNA vaccinated people.

Also the 12 week regime looks to be superior to the 6, 4 or 3 week regimes, but it's early days.

I tend to trust the scientists claiming cross vaccination is the way to go as they have no political motive for doing so, the same cannot be said for politicians or some others! Wink

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 09-15-2021

(09-15-2021, 10:53 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Vaxzevria or what ever they are trying to disguise it as this week
As everybody knows, the reason it has been renamed is to adopt the name used in the EU. Apparently, there was a risk that Aussies dosed with AZ wouldn't have been regarded by the EU as being vaccinated with approved vaccines. Apart from the difference in name, our AZ is manufactured in Australia.  It seems renaming the vaccine will ensure the EU recognises it. This seems to be a bit weird, but remember we're dealing with the EU here and bureaucracy is the name of the game.

I was vaccinated with AZ, so if the renaming allows me to enter European countries in the future, I will thank whoever is responsible for the change.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Macca37 - 09-15-2021

(09-15-2021, 10:53 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:https://au.news.yahoo.com/victorian-premier-refuses-to-offer-pfizer-over-60-s-095537916.html
Dan is really on a power trip and must be dreading when CoVid ends and he has to go back to being mild mannered Dan Andrews instead
of Super Dan the almighty ruler of Victoria and holder of the magic elixir that everyone wants.
Let them eat cake Dan or in this case Vaxzevria or what ever they are trying to disguise it as this week, hope the over 60's vote his sorry Ar$e out next election.
Obviously his ego is more important than Over 60's health and even though most of the other other states are now offering a choice to get vaccination levels up he wants to be different Dan and keep his power trip going.


I'm a senior and I have a completely different view regarding people over 60 refusing to be vaccinated with AZ.  In fact I regard them as an absolute embarrassment to our age group.

Anyone in the senior age group would have seen the damage and heartache caused by polio, whooping cough, tb, etc, etc, and would have jumped at the chance of being vaccinated when vaccines were released.

We know that Pfizer is safe for the young, and we know that AZ is safe for the over 60 group.  Millions of doses of AZ have been given to the elderly in Australia without problems resulting.  So what level of stupidity is required to demand Pfizer when we do not have enough for our young and AZ is readily available?

Both Gladys and Dan were coy when questioned today about the availability of Pfizer in October, bearing in mind that we have already brought shipments forward and doses will need to be transferred to the UK and Singapore in the coming months.  Clearly, there is not enough available to everyone who wants it.

I watched several elderly couples being interviewed tonight who said it was their right to choose their vaccine. Hello!  Where did that right spring from?

When asked what he would do about it, one old fool said that he would exercise his right to Pfizer and would wait his turn rather than have AZ.

It just reinforces the view that stupid people do not become wiser with age.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-15-2021




I have a different view and have friends who have been advised by their doctor to have Pfizer but when presented to be jabbed have been refused even with a note from their Doctor. AZ isnt safe for all over 60 IMO just as Pfizer isnt safe for everyone either depending on an individuals medical profile and candidates need to be advised by their Doctor on which is safer. My daughters MIL cant have AZ due to blood Clot issues but cant have Pfizer either being 60 plus and has been told to wait.
Other states want their vaccination rates up quickly so are offering both, where are their supplies coming from?
I dont have a problem with younger folk having priority but when Pfizer vials are thrown away at the end of each day due to cancelled appointments I cant work out why over 60s who want them cant have those about to be expired doses if they are on a waiting list. Like it or not AZ is a damaged brand and to beat vaccine hesitancy I think like the other States Victoria should offer the choice where possible ie youngsters a priority but any spare or going to waste Pfizer allowed into the arms of over 60's.
We want better vaccination numbers and need to be more flexible IMO and not have a Premier giving attitude to over 60's...thats not going to get them jabbed and more likely the opposite.
Especially a Premier who fecked up Quarantine with his Private security debacle, cost lives and then couldnt remember/lied about the details in front of a Inquiry and threw his health minister under the bus to save himself. He is the last person to be lecturing 60 plus year olds on the merits of ethical behaviour IMHO.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-15-2021

There is no use the media highlighting these inequities now, they caused them!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 09-15-2021

(09-15-2021, 03:11 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Especially a Premier who fecked up Quarantine with his Private security debacle, cost lives and then couldnt remember/lied about the details in front of a Inquiry and threw his health minister under the bus to save himself. He is the last person to be lecturing 60 plus year olds on the merits of ethical behaviour IMHO.

But he never makes a mistake, does he? :Smile

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-17-2021

I thought this was a pretty clever move by a US hospital, they have basically called out staff requesting vaccine exemptions on the basis of a moral / religious objections to vaccines using foetal cells as part of vaccine development.

Basically the hospital position is do not be a hypocrite. You can be exempt from the vaccines if you want, but you have to be consistent with your claim, and exclude yourself from all the medicines that have been developed using foetal cell lines. This including a bunch of day to day stuff.
Quote:The list includes Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, aspirin, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, ibuprofen, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, albuterol, Preparation H, MMR vaccine, Claritin, Zoloft, Prilosec OTC, and azithromycin.
Now wouldn't that be interesting if those rules applied here, removing the option to pick and choose.

If you apply for an exemption or exclusion that must be applied globally! :o

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - spf - 09-17-2021

(09-15-2021, 03:11 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I have a different view and have friends who have been advised by their doctor to have Pfizer but when presented to be jabbed have been refused even with a note from their Doctor. AZ isnt safe for all over 60 IMO just as Pfizer isnt safe for everyone either depending on an individuals medical profile and candidates need to be advised by their Doctor on which is safer. My daughters MIL cant have AZ due to blood Clot issues but cant have Pfizer either being 60 plus and has been told to wait.
Other states want their vaccination rates up quickly so are offering both, where are their supplies coming from?
I dont have a problem with younger folk having priority but when Pfizer vials are thrown away at the end of each day due to cancelled appointments I cant work out why over 60s who want them cant have those about to be expired doses if they are on a waiting list. Like it or not AZ is a damaged brand and to beat vaccine hesitancy I think like the other States Victoria should offer the choice where possible ie youngsters a priority but any spare or going to waste Pfizer allowed into the arms of over 60's.
We want better vaccination numbers and need to be more flexible IMO and not have a Premier giving attitude to over 60's...thats not going to get them jabbed and more likely the opposite.
Especially a Premier who fecked up Quarantine with his Private security debacle, cost lives and then couldnt remember/lied about the details in front of a Inquiry and threw his health minister under the bus to save himself. He is the last person to be lecturing 60 plus year olds on the merits of ethical behaviour IMHO.

I think NovaVax may make an appearance later this year. That may be the half way house for those that cannot have the other vaccines.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-17-2021

(09-17-2021, 06:51 AM)spf link Wrote:I think NovaVax may make an appearance later this year. That may be the half way house for those that cannot have the other vaccines.
Japan are very keen on Novavax and its reported that it will be made in Sth Korea, they have had issues with supply of materials as well as funding issues from the US Government. It has had some very good early testing reviews in England and is very promising but there isnt enough data yet to show if its any better or worse than the others at this stage. I think it will be more of a niche vaccine as it doesnt have the massive world wide production capabilities that Pfizer or AZ have but of course if it proves effective with less side effects then everyone will want it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - shawny - 09-17-2021

(09-17-2021, 08:13 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:it doesn't have the massive world wide production capabilities that Pfizer or AZ have but of course if it proves effective with less side effects then everyone will want it.

IMO this is the biggest concern/apprehension facing the average person as to whether to have it or not its the unknown side effects and the fact they will not and cant give any data on it mid to long term safety as the normal testing processes have not been able to be applied to this one?

There will be no comparing of side effects and then make a decision as the Pfizer and AZ side effects wont be known for many years.

How those who are advocating pregnant women to take the vaccine can look at them self in the mirror is anyone's guess.  Who in the right mind while having a delicate fetus forming inside them would without the pressure of media/pollies etc happily accept a vaccine when there is no side effect data available and put bluntly they cannot tell you 100% if its safe for the mother let alone a fetus.  I mean has there even been one pregnant women die of this strain in Australia and yet they try and scare poor mothers into taking it.  And no recourse later will make up for babies being born with health issues.

Madness.