(09-07-2021, 10:52 AM)shawny date Wrote:Curious what were you there for?

(09-07-2021, 04:47 PM)spf date Wrote:Interesting watch. I have not heard a lot about them here.

Did SWEDEN have the right COVID-19 STRATEGY all along?
https://youtu.be/8IBo1KvNSX4

(09-07-2021, 10:22 PM)LP link Wrote:Sweden like Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates going around, they are already up near 80% despite also having one of Europe's highest infection rates. ( A bit ironic given the anti-vaxers hold them up as an example for herd immunity. ) I think that combined with other various restrictions and measures they did or didn't take made it a more dynamic environment, but keep in mind they still have had 15,000 people perish to get to this point!

They suffered a significant recent (over Sweden's winter) increase in deaths, as the toll of not locking down affects the vulnerable population. There may be other geographic and societal considerations as well, that may have an impact on how Sars-CoV-2 is transmitted and survives in the environment.

We've seen these seasonal trends before starting with the 1st wave, people always come out and talk about such trends like they are definitive but I feel that is based on the individual politics of the groups involved. Nobody and no region seems to escape the long term effects, you can only delay them to save lives in the process.

The biggest tell might be that bordering countries surrounding Sweden had about 1/5th the Swedish death rate.

Fans of anti-lockdown tout Sweden as the solution, but the economic price it has paid is still quite high, having been ostracised by many of it's neighbours it paid a pretty high economic price, still had the high death rates and now has a significant long term long COVID health cost / burden.

Perhaps, it really comes down to the political price put on a life!

(09-08-2021, 02:46 AM)LP link Wrote:For those of us with friends or relatives in the USA things are looking grim over there, too many lockdown dissenters and anti-vaxers, some US states are starting to see hospitals get overrun.

So they are resorting to selective treatment, that is those with the best prospect of survival gets treatment the rest must fend for themselves. I've a friend/associate in the southern states who has a daughter working in emergency health care, for years he's been a leave it up to God's will type, declining vaccines and espousing freedom of choice, the stereotypical profile. Now, as he watches his king hearted daughter struggle and crumble under the pressure of being part of an overwhelmed health system he finally gets it, but for so so many it way too late! The straw that broke the camels back for his daughter was arriving at work and seeing heavily armed guards / private security refusing ill people entry to the hospital, maybe 1 in 10 gets past the outdoor triage tent!

(09-08-2021, 02:57 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:A normal day pre Covid in the USA public hospital system is for the ER's to shut around 10pm and the long line of people waiting to be told to come back the next day and try again.The land of milk and honey isnt so sweet if you dont have money and private health insurance, hopefully we never get that like here in Australia and turn sick people away.

(09-08-2021, 02:46 AM)LP link Wrote:For those of us with friends or relatives in the USA things are looking grim over there, too many lockdown dissenters and anti-vaxers, some US states are starting to see hospitals get overrun.

So they are resorting to selective treatment, that is those with the best prospect of survival gets treatment the rest must fend for themselves. I've a friend/associate in the southern states who has a daughter working in emergency health care, for years he's been a leave it up to God's will type, declining vaccines and espousing freedom of choice, the stereotypical profile. Now, as he watches his king hearted daughter struggle and crumble under the pressure of being part of an overwhelmed health system he finally gets it, but for so so many it way too late! The straw that broke the camels back for his daughter was arriving at work and seeing heavily armed guards / private security refusing ill people entry to the hospital, maybe 1 in 10 gets past the outdoor triage tent!