(09-03-2021, 07:27 AM)PaulP link Wrote:This is a pretty touchy subject, and I think we need to tread carefully.

Anecdotal stories have their place, but they are not a substitute for a good sample space of tabulated data that enables us to see the bigger picture, the broad societal trends. Until such information is forthcoming, I suggest we park the anecdotal fallacies, and the Appeal to Authority fallacy, and pause for a moment.

(09-03-2021, 07:47 AM)Baggers link Wrote:An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.

Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.

(09-03-2021, 08:41 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:And to round the story out, here's the UK death numbers....

Loose numbers 175 death a day in UK from people 'with' CV19.

(09-03-2021, 07:47 AM)Baggers link Wrote:An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.

Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.

(09-03-2021, 08:53 AM)LP link Wrote:"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated?

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?

(09-03-2021, 08:53 AM)LP link Wrote:"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated?

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?

Quote:Up massively since the lockdown ended,

(09-03-2021, 03:55 AM)Mav link Wrote:Can you remind of us of any occasion where Dan Andrews has said there will be just 1 fixed response to Covid? If you can, then we'll happily concede he lied. But I think you'll find that he has made the obvious point repeatedly that the response will change as the circumstances change. When there was 0 Covid restrictions were relaxed and when outbreaks occurred lockdowns were imposed. By the way, you might have missed it but he has recently accepted that there'll be no return to Covid-0, so he has flagged that the response now will change to ensure the numbers stay manageable. Moving the goalposts? I'd say Gladys and the Delta variant have moved us to a wholly new stadium.