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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-02-2021

There is some irony hidden in protests of the anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers, that perhaps the greatest social leveller is globally available cheap and effective vaccination.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 09-02-2021

(09-02-2021, 01:16 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I've been saying since our very first lockdown, the biggest problem our government has is that it trusts the people to do the right thing.

Spot on.

It's that 5-10%, or so, who willfully and consciously ignore the measures to limit the spread, who fck it up for the rest of us.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 09-02-2021

(09-02-2021, 01:21 AM)shawny link Wrote:I could go on and on.
I have no doubt at all about that.

I don't agree with this "opening the floodgates" argument that both LP and you are raising. If the change be specific to Covid cases, then we deal with any attempt to make similar changes in respect of other situations on a case-by-case basis. Making this change wouldn't increase the strength of those attempts.

Triage protocols exist already and various factors are already used by hospitals to ration access. I don't know what factors are used and I suspect that hospitals don't widely disseminate them as pile-ons would ensue.  Maybe EB might know.

In any event, as long as such changes were publicised beforehand, then those who make a choice to remain unvaccinated would make that choice in the full knowledge of its implications. If you know that there won't be a month-long intensive air-sea rescue attempt involving the Navy, Airforce & Border Force if you try to paddle by yourself to NZ, maybe you'd think twice about doing it.     


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 09-02-2021

Mav....what you are saying makes sense if its done correctly.

However, like lockdowns, people don't do things correctly.

Its open for exploitation. Simplest form being the wealthy 'buying' treatment that they would not otherwise get. A little donation here, a favour there, a bump in grades on top....You see my point.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 09-02-2021

That's unavoidable anyway, Kruddler. For instance, as LP notes, monoclonal antibodies are really expensive but rich people can pay for them. It's already an unequal system. The unvaccinated rich would merely jockey for care at private hospitals. That wouldn't be cured if we gave them equal or even preferential access to public hospitals. At least the vaccinated would have to compete against far fewer unvaccinated when it came to obtaining life-saving care.

And the fake immunisation passport would be far less of a problem when it comes to hospital admissions than going to a restaurant. The admissions people could directly access vaccine status in a way that a maitre d' could not.

There was a story today about an unvaccinated woman who was caught flying into Hawaii using a fake immunisation certificate. It wasn't really difficult to spot the breach: her vaccination certificate said she'd been immunised with the "Maderna" vaccine  Smile)

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 09-02-2021

If we get to 90% would we need vaccine passports?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - shawny - 09-02-2021

(09-02-2021, 01:32 AM)Mav link Wrote:I have no doubt at all about that.

I don't agree with this "opening the floodgates" argument that both LP and you are raising. If the change be specific to Covid cases, then we deal with any attempt to make similar changes in respect of other situations on a case-by-case basis. Making this change wouldn't increase the strength of those attempts.

Triage protocols exist already and various factors are already used by hospitals to ration access. I don't know what factors are used and I suspect that hospitals don't widely disseminate them as pile-ons would ensue.  Maybe EB might know.

In any event, as long as such changes were publicised beforehand, then those who make a choice to remain unvaccinated would make that choice in the full knowledge of its implications. If you know that there won't be a month-long intensive air-sea rescue attempt involving the Navy, Airforce & Border Force if you try to paddle by yourself to NZ, maybe you'd think twice about doing it.     

Based on the fact you didn’t answer any of my post and highlighted just the last throwaway line only, I will take that it’s a clear NO to you accepting being pushed back in the queue - you only want that system applied to Covid patents that have not been vaccinated.

Thought so.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 09-02-2021

You need to work on your English comprehension skills. I stated explicitly that this should only apply to Covid cases. Why read between the lines if you can just read the words instead?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - shawny - 09-02-2021

(09-02-2021, 04:11 AM)Mav link Wrote:You need to work on your English comprehension skills. I stated explicitly that this should only apply to Covid cases. Why read between the lines if you can just read the words instead?

Play the ball mate not the man- I know it may be hard when you someone asks you a question you don’t want to answer.

So the bottom line once you remove all the spin is the rule ‘only applies Covid cases’ ?

So typical.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 09-02-2021

Don't try the "I had to parse your posts extremely carefully to prove that you won't apply that rule other than to Covid because you were trying to hide that fact" game when I stated it explicitly.