(08-31-2021, 04:15 AM)Mav date Wrote:The only other way out is high vaccination rates, but I suspect there's a big overlap between anti-Lockdowns, anti-Maskers & anti-Vaxxers. If so, the anti-Lockdowners will ensure both that we won't stay at Covid-0 & we'll be unable to open up safely.

(08-31-2021, 04:15 AM)Mav link Wrote:I think the anti-lockdown types had a naive and incorrect belief that if they could blow up Covid-0, Governments would have little choice but to allow life to go back to normal. In reality, the only hope of living a life that approximates the old normal is to stay at Covid-0. Once that's impossible, we'll be in permanent lockdown. Just to keep new infections at around 100 a day requires hard restrictions. And when spikes take it above that figure, hard lockdowns are needed. The only other way out is high vaccination rates, but I suspect there's a big overlap between anti-Lockdowns, anti-Maskers & anti-Vaxxers. If so, the anti-Lockdowners will ensure both that we won't stay at Covid-0 & we'll be unable to open up safely.   

(08-31-2021, 04:15 AM)Mav link Wrote:I think the anti-lockdown types had a naive and incorrect belief that if they could blow up Covid-0, Governments would have little choice but to allow life to go back to normal. In reality, the only hope of living a life that approximates the old normal is to stay at Covid-0. Once that's impossible, we'll be in permanent lockdown. Just to keep new infections at around 100 a day requires hard restrictions. And when spikes take it above that figure, hard lockdowns are needed. The only other way out is high vaccination rates, but I suspect there's a big overlap between anti-Lockdowns, anti-Maskers & anti-Vaxxers. If so, the anti-Lockdowners will ensure both that we won't stay at Covid-0 & we'll be unable to open up safely.   

Quote:Based on current workforce data from the 175 respondent ICUs, maximal surge would require an additional 4092 senior medical staff (345% above baseline staffing), and an additional 42 720 registered nursing staff would be required (365% above baseline staffing)

Quote:“[Ivermectin] shouldn’t have been promoted as a vaccine alternative or a miracle cure,” he said. “People are drinking sheep drench! If that’s not a call to use your clout and influence to say, ‘Enough is enough! Get your shots!’ then I just don’t know.”

Quote:And as the delta variant continues to infect the nation, even Kory admits that ivermectin (the human kind) is no match for it, tweeting on Aug. 9, “I have experienced and am getting reports from FLCCC Alliance members that Delta variant patients crashing into ICU’s ... are not showing responses to MATH+. We are demoralized and frightened. Early treatment is CRITICAL. Every household should take I-MASK+ upon first symptoms.”

(09-01-2021, 02:41 AM)Mav link Wrote:Flyboy, you might get lucky with the variants: maybe Ivermectin might finally work on one of them. Ivermectin fans will be like Powerball “investors” waiting with bated breath to see if their numbers come up this time.

By the way, here’s a good article about those pushing Ivermectin: People Are Eating Horse Paste To Fight COVID. These Doctors Are One Reason Why, HuffPost.

The article deals with the Front Line Covid Critical Care Alliance, a group of Doctors who desperately sought to repurpose existing medications to give them some weapons to battle Covid when nothing else was available. They had a big win with a combination of the steroid methylprednisolone and other drugs and supplements. They pressed on despite resistance in the medical community until studies confirmed the effectiveness of steroids in treating serious cases. But then they backed the wrong horse based on dodgy studies. While steroids operate as anti-inflammatories and there’s a plausible way they might help treat Covid, it’s much harder to see how Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic rather than anti-viral medication, would help.

As the article notes, initially the FLCCCA was trying to find a stopgap pending the arrival of effective vaccines but it seems the support from right wingers and anti-vaxxers has worked to stop the FLCCCA recommending vaccines.

The article quotes Dr Eric Osgood, a former member of the FLCCCA who quit because of the group’s failure to endorse vaccines:
But even the remaining members of the FLCCCA are worried that the Delta variant is kicking Ivermectin’s arse:

(09-01-2021, 04:05 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:You've never heard of Penicillin Mav? Used by humans and animals alike for many a decade.

(09-01-2021, 04:05 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Osgood? Looks like he got bought....

(09-01-2021, 04:39 AM)Mav link Wrote:Why don't we just use Penicillin then, Flyboy? Could it be because it's an anti-bacterial rather than an anti-viral? We all know Penicillin doesn't work against the flu let alone Covid. Still, an antibacterial is closer to the mark than an anti-parasitic medication.
^-^ Classic ...

I have no problem with you using Ivermectin. Have at it. You never know, maybe using horse dewormer will end up with you drawing admiring glances in the urinals at half-time in Carlton games.  Maybe you'll start showing the gentler personality of horses, although you'd probably need to stop taking that Tasmanian Devil medication first.