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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-25-2021

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/the-fate-of-astrazeneca-s-vaccine-business-is-in-the-balance-20210825-p58lna.html

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-25-2021

(08-25-2021, 01:02 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/the-fate-of-astrazeneca-s-vaccine-business-is-in-the-balance-20210825-p58lna.html
Think AstraZ is dead in the water, even here people are cancelling their AZ appointments hoping to get Pfizer.
Been some business talk that Moderna may partner with CSL, the former usually partner with another company rather than having their own production facilities as they are a smaller operation unlike Pfizer who have and build their own labs.
Going to be good money in Booster shots, wonder how long the Government will continue to subsidise vaccinations..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-25-2021

(08-25-2021, 01:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Think AstraZ is dead in the water, even here people are cancelling their AZ appointments hoping to get Pfizer.
Been some business talk that Moderna may partner with CSL, the former usually partner with another company rather than having their own production facilities as they are a smaller operation unlike Pfizer who have and build their own labs.
Going to be good money in Booster shots, wonder how long the Government will continue to subsidise vaccinations..

I still think it's a shame it's come to this. Lots of hysteria about a very low chance of problems.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-25-2021

It’ll be interesting to read a history of Covid vaccines, but we’ll have to wait a few years for that so the dust can settle.

There was a news story about concerns that Moderna might have a problem with myocarditis. It’s interesting there have been no concerns over Pfizer. If only I could fire up the Delorean and grab me a copy of the authoritative history of Covid vaccines to see whether that has been a triumph of science or a tribute to PR.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - northernblue - 08-25-2021

I’m off for my 2nd AZ this arvo, if I don’t come back tell Teaguey I love him…
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-25-2021

(08-25-2021, 01:23 AM)Mav date Wrote:It’ll be interesting to read a history of Covid vaccines, but we’ll have to wait a few years for that so the dust can settle.

There was a news story about concerns that Moderna might have a problem with myocarditis. It’s interesting there have been no concerns over Pfizer.
None reported by the media is not the same as none, but like AZ the risk is very very low.

I looked into this a few weeks back, I haven't seen recent figures but a month or two back in Australia we had effectively just as many serious vaccine side-effect ICU cases for Pfizer as we had for AZ. The Pfizer cases were almost all myocarditis related with one or two related to clots, the AZ cases were all related to clots.

Apparently this is better than normal for any vaccine, if they were all given in such numbers in such a short time frame we'd find the same or worse for Influenza, Measles, even Tetanus shots.

I didn't know this until a few weeks back but apparently issuing Tetanus shots are already limited in some way to avoid serious side-effects.

There is so much reporting now it's becoming harder and harder to find specific items, but if you are lucky and give it a try you'll find these figures somewhere in official reports a month or so back.

PS; There is a clear differential appearing between the effects of 1st and 2nd shots. For AZ if you have no bad reaction to the 1st shot your effectively clear for the 2nd shot with hardly any 2nd shot AZ reactions appearing. The exact opposite appears to apply for Pfizer, for Pfizer the 1st shot has less reactions than the 2nd shot, with more serious side-effects coming from the 2nd shot. The effect / differential is so strong that some scientists think we should be cross vaccinating.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-25-2021

(08-25-2021, 01:27 AM)northernblue link Wrote:I’m off for my 2nd AZ this arvo, if I don’t come back tell Teaguey I love him…
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Good luck matey. I'm sure you'll be fine.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-25-2021

Wouldn’t it be amusing if heroin or speed addicts are among the Anti-Vaxxers?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - northernblue - 08-25-2021

(08-25-2021, 01:47 AM)Mav link Wrote:Wouldn’t it be amusing if heroin or speed addicts are among the Anti-Vaxxers?

Experimenting with recreational drugs is fine… according to some ?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - dodge - 08-25-2021

(08-25-2021, 01:27 AM)northernblue link Wrote:I’m off for my 2nd AZ this arvo, if I don’t come back tell Teaguey I love him…
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I had mine the other day.  The worst part about the first shot was taking off the bandaid.  They didn't put a bandaid on after the second one...Good luck, NB.