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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-17-2016
People forget that the side has lost a nucleus of a good side in Rogers, Clarke, Haddin, Harris and Johnson... essentially in one season. Blokes that were always going to prove difficult to find replacements for, especially coupled with the unfortunate death of Hughes.
I distantly know an ex-Aussie selector and he was of the opinion that Harris was the best pace bowler since Lillee. Hard to replace world XI type players.
As for Starc - he is a poor man's Johnson. Needs to find consistency with bat and ball.
Injuries have thwarted any attempt at getting a decent bowling group on the park, I've given up on Cummins and Pattinson, now Faulkner is an LTI. Time to groom alternatives.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 11-18-2016
(11-17-2016, 10:41 PM)Professer E link Wrote:People forget that the side has lost a nucleus of a good side in Rogers, Clarke, Haddin, Harris and Johnson... essentially in one season. Blokes that were always going to prove difficult to find replacements for, especially coupled with the unfortunate death of Hughes.
I distantly know an ex-Aussie selector and he was of the opinion that Harris was the best pace bowler since Lillee. Hard to replace world XI type players.
As for Starc - he is a poor man's Johnson. Needs to find consistency with bat and ball.
Injuries have thwarted any attempt at getting a decent bowling group on the park, I've given up on Cummins and Pattinson, now Faulkner is an LTI. Time to groom alternatives.
Those blokes have been gone for a little while now. Until the last 5 Tests we still managed to play decent cricket and progress to world No.1. Just lost the lot recently.
My biggest issue though has been Cricket Australia. The last few years they have obviously instructed curators to dish up road after road after road to make Tests go 5 days. Unfortunately it meant our players have have no experience of pitches that swing or seam and as soon as they are exposed to such conditions they are lost. Unfortunately our batsmen can only play on the pitches that are dished up to them. Now we have that have movement we are in trouble. Important now we make sure there is at least something in pitches at Shield level to force batsmen to use the right technique or otherwise perish in the game.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-18-2016
(11-18-2016, 01:18 AM)laj link Wrote:Those blokes have been gone for a little while now. Until the last 5 Tests we still managed to play decent cricket and progress to world No.1. Just lost the lot recently.
My biggest issue though has been Cricket Australia. The last few years they have obviously instructed curators to dish up road after road after road to make Tests go 5 days. Unfortunately it meant our players have have no experience of pitches that swing or seam and as soon as they are exposed to such conditions they are lost. Unfortunately our batsmen can only play on the pitches that are dished up to them. Now we have that have movement we are in trouble. Important now we make sure there is at least something in pitches at Shield level to force batsmen to use the right technique or otherwise perish in the game.
Jim..Years gone by back in our day Aus cricketers played county cricket and tightened up their techniques vs the moving ball, now its IPL and any other forms of 20/20 cricket they go and play which does bugger all
for their technique. Its only the non 20/20 types like recently retired Chris Rogers who would have played their share of county cricket and improved their game. no surprise he was a success later in his career given he did all the hard yards at county level and had a tight technique and knew how to leave a good delivery.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 11-18-2016
(11-18-2016, 02:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Jim..Years gone by back in our day Aus cricketers played county cricket and tightened up their techniques vs the moving ball, now its IPL and any other forms of 20/20 cricket they go and play which does bugger all
for their technique. Its only the non 20/20 types like recently retired Chris Rogers who would have played their share of county cricket and improved their game. no surprise he was a success later in his career given he did all the hard yards at county level and had a tight technique and knew how to leave a good delivery.
Unfortunately that's the way of the world now. Not much we can do about that as the money is huge in 20/20 cricket. Hence we have to do that at home now, making sure there is something in the pitches at first class level that allow for ball movement. We've just had way too many roads the last few years so all we've learned is to smack the ball with hard hands in front of the pads. Then we go to England or play South Africa here on moving pitches and can't adjust.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-18-2016
How bad must Nathan Lyon be feeling at the moment.
He's been made a scapegoat for some shizen captaincy and batting at test level. He's moved states to play under the bloke that currently white-ants him favoring his new team-mate. He has 200 test wickets but gets bowled behind his potential replacement. In the current match Dean and Handscomb have torn him a new one!
What's that about the grass always being greener? :o
He must be thinking to himself, next time take the blue pill!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DJC - 11-18-2016
Handscomb - 215
Dean - 134
White - 75no
Bad luck they're not playing for NSW :
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-18-2016
(11-18-2016, 06:22 AM)DJC link Wrote:Handscomb - 215
Dean - 134
White - 75no
Bad luck they're not playing for NSW :
Reckon Handscomb will get picked for Voges next test...
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DJC - 11-18-2016
(11-18-2016, 06:34 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Reckon Handscomb will get picked for Voges next test...
All three would be in the eleven if it was picked on form and winning the Test was the objective.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 11-18-2016
(11-18-2016, 04:21 AM)LP link Wrote:How bad must Nathan Lyon be feeling at the moment.
He's been made a scapegoat for some shizen captaincy and batting at test level. He's moved states to play under the bloke that currently white-ants him favoring his new team-mate. He has 200 test wickets but gets bowled behind his potential replacement. In the current match Dean and Handscomb have torn him a new one!
What's that about the grass always being greener? :o
He must be thinking to himself, next time take the blue pill!
In the first innings against Victoria he took 0/137 from 38 overs. Think he might be in trouble.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-18-2016
Smith's captaincy may be shizen but Lyon's bowling is shizen, and that's why he will be dropped.