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Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - Gointocarlton - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 09:50 AM)PaulP link Wrote:They both have strengths and weaknesses, and if the club is doing the right thing, they will played in a complimentary way, so that each helps the other to be a better player, in a way that makes a better team. That's the end game, and ultimately all that really matters IMO.True, however if money and lifestyle means more to Tom than camaraderie and loyalty to mates you've forged a bond with, whether we are doing the right thing or not is academic.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - PaulP - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 10:41 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:True, however if money and lifestyle means more to Tom than camaraderie and loyalty to mates you've forged a bond with, whether we are doing the right thing or not is academic.
In the case of Geelong, I'm not sure they would be able to offer that much, unless they offload a bunch of players or their stars take a pay cut. If he went there, I think the lifestyle + playing with his brother + part of a strong successful culture would be more attractive than money. Just a guess obviously. Hopefully Cookie can convince him that he's building a similar culture here.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 10:24 AM)shawny link Wrote:The fact one will likely get $800k per season and the other is on $400k says it all.TDK isnt worth 800k a season....you pay that to players who win you games consistently, reckon he will take a bit less than the top market offers from the Saints and Bombers and join his brother at the Cattery.
Pit tries and is a decent tap ruckman but next to nothing output around the ground. TDK is still developing yet is already a more effective footballer can go forward and kick goals and has a much higher ceiling.
Ceglar will retire/get flicked, Stanley will become the new Ceglar as backup and TDK will ruck with Blicavs and fit straight into their game plan as that mobile ruckman.
A new Ford Ranger every season along with some other perks will make up the money....Cats are very good at looking after their players and making them comfortable.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - Gointocarlton - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 11:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:TDK isnt worth 800k a season....you pay that to players who win you games consistently, reckon he will take a bit less than the top market offers from the Saints and Bombers and join his brother at the Cattery.All well and good but they need to satisfy us.
Ceglar will retire/get flicked, Stanley will become the new Ceglar as backup and TDK will ruck with Blicavs and fit straight into their game plan as that mobile ruckman.
A new Ford Ranger every season along with some other perks will make up the money....Cats are very good at looking after their players and making them comfortable.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 11:16 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:All well and good but they need to satisfy us.I just seem to remember Geelong screwing us over in trades.....nothing good has ever come up the highway to us.
They dont have any decent first rounders either I would have thought after their spending spree....picks 18 and 92 I think I read and this is the draft we want to pick from being a good one.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - kruddler - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 11:20 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I just seem to remember Geelong screwing us over in trades.....nothing good has ever come up the highway to us.Everytime we take a player, he's a dud.
They dont have any decent first rounders either I would have thought after their spending spree....picks 18 and 92 I think I read and this is the draft we want to pick from being a good one.
Everytime we swap for picks, we come out on top.
Now are the players a dud or is our development of them?
Either way, I'd be more happy to trade with Geelong than a lot of other clubs.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - kruddler - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 10:24 AM)shawny link Wrote:The fact one will likely get $800k per season and the other is on $400k says it all.Says plenty, clubs over pay for potential....and we should cash in.
Pit tries and is a decent tap ruckman but next to nothing output around the ground. TDK is still developing yet is already a more effective footballer can go forward and kick goals and has a much higher ceiling.
Look at all the 'million dollar men' over the past decade. How many have earned that?
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - Gointocarlton - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 11:20 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I just seem to remember Geelong screwing us over in trades.....nothing good has ever come up the highway to us.Word is Tom knows they can't satisfy us and will sign a 2 year deal taking him to FA.
They dont have any decent first rounders either I would have thought after their spending spree....picks 18 and 92 I think I read and this is the draft we want to pick from being a good one.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - LP - 06-20-2023
(06-19-2023, 02:02 PM)kruddler date Wrote:Says plenty, clubs over pay for potential....and we should cash in.Club's have to pay for the resource that helps them achieve a goal, the rarer that resource the more you pay, it's not always about individual ability or brilliance, of course we get extreme brilliance is ultra-rare as such players like Judd exist.
Look at all the 'million dollar men' over the past decade. How many have earned that?
The type of aerobic agile ruck role that a TDK, Jackson or Blicsavs can play turns out to be very very rare, the Pitto type are far more common.
GWS tried to turn Cameron into an agile ruck to get him working in parallel to Mumford, it's a tell. We should be making sure we keep TDK to get a similar parallel setup with Pitto, of course in the long term GWS worked out that Cameron is far far better as a forward than burning him in the ruck. These are once a decade type players, Melbourne were dead lucky they ended up with two in Gawn and Jackson, it basically won them a flag and they were so desperate to replace that type they took on Grundy's wage to keep their advantage.
To me having one ruck to do the bullocking work is far more important than have a tap dominant ruck, but only if you have the flipside agile ruck in support. It's a complimentary pair that make it work not the individual, focusing on the worth of the individual misses the point.
Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet - shawny - 06-20-2023
(06-19-2023, 11:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:TDK isnt worth 800k a season....you pay that to players who win you games consistently, reckon he will take a bit less than the top market offers from the Saints and Bombers and join his brother at the Cattery.
Ceglar will retire/get flicked, Stanley will become the new Ceglar as backup and TDK will ruck with Blicavs and fit straight into their game plan as that mobile ruckman.
A new Ford Ranger every season along with some other perks will make up the money....Cats are very good at looking after their players and making them comfortable.
Agree EB he may not worth it today but it wont be far off what he gets if he decides to field offers. Ruck man in his age bracket and with his upside whether us supporters believe it or not are highly valued to clubs that think in the right environment he could be a very damaging footballer. Geelong have his younger and less fancied brother and in their program he has surpassed TDK.
Put TDK in the Collingwood, Geelong, Swans programs and he could very well jump into the discussions with the very best ruckmen in the comp - and could happen very quickly