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Re: If Not BB, Who? - Lods - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 10:12 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Ugly style of football, questionable character, and a knob head in his pressers. And his GF teams were not ordinary.
Lyon has had some good success.
He's also had some bad years.
If he were to replace BB at this stage I suspect he would also be a polarising and divisive figure largely due to some of the factors above, but also due to the fact that most have not exhausted their patience with Bolton just yet.
Some of the negatives regarding Lyon are based on little more than our own bias and perceptions but...
Folks would have pretty set opinions from the get-go
He'd want to put results on the board pretty quickly to turn the negative opinions around.
Your length of time as a Carlton coach seems to have an interesting element to it.
If you come into the job with half hearted supporter approval you are under the pump much earlier and your time in the job is limited unless you deliver immediate success.
If you come into the job with greater support, a clean slate even, people are infinitely more patient...
Any new coach needs to belong to the second group.
If Bolton is replaced it will be if and when the majority's patience has run out... and his replacement will need to be seen as someone with strong, even universal approval, as the right man/woman for the job.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - kruddler - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 11:18 PM)Lods link Wrote:Lyon has had some good success.
He's also had some bad years.
If he were to replace BB at this stage I suspect he would also be a polarising and divisive figure largely due to some of the factors above, but also due to the fact that most have not exhausted their patience with Bolton just yet.
Some of the negatives regarding Lyon are based on little more than our own bias and perceptions but...
Folks would have pretty set opinions from the get-go
He'd want to put results on the board pretty quickly to turn the negative opinions around.
Your length of time as a Carlton coach seems to have an interesting element to it.
If you come into the job with half hearted supporter approval you are under the pump much earlier and your time in the job is limited unless you deliver immediate success.
If you come into the job with greater support, a clean slate even, people are infinitely more patient...
Any new coach needs to belong to the second group.
If Bolton is replaced it will be if and when the majority's patience has run out... and his replacement will need to be seen as someone with strong, even universal approval, as the right man/woman for the job.
We could have Norm Smith, Ron Barrassi, David Parkin, Vince Lombardi and John Madden combine for our coaching group, and we still wouldn't have the patience to allow them to undertake the type of rebuild we have gone through now.
Which is why i'm preaching patience with Bolton.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - PaulP - 04-20-2019
The astute observer will no doubt realise that a Lyon appointment is simply jobs for the boys.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 11:16 PM)PaulP link Wrote:His media moments are cringeworthy, and his coaching prowess is over stated IMO. As for coaching ugly, I guess you missed R2 and R3, which prompted Matt Lloyd to say "gee, you'd hate to be a forward under Ross Lyon", or words to that effect.
As for stuffing up, maybe, just maybe, the incident at the Xmas party counts as that (he didn't handle the aftermath of that too well IMO), but the swapping clubs was simply calculated deceit, not accidental stuffing up.
Sorry, big no from me. If the club insists on a new Messiah, we have to do better than him.
Holy mackerel, you really do despise the bloke. Sounds like you want him put in the stocks and thrashed for crimes against coaching, media and his former employer!
Re: If Not BB, Who? - PaulP - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 11:39 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Holy mackerel, you really do despise the bloke. Sounds like you want him put in the stocks and thrashed for crimes against coaching, media and his former employer!
I don't hate anyone. I just think if we're going to go through yet another premature sacking, then it should be for someone better than him.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 11:35 PM)PaulP link Wrote:The astute observer will no doubt realise that a Lyon appointment is simply jobs for the boys.
Perhaps you mean, 'people who see things as I do...'
You don't think SOS's appointment isn't 'jobs for the boys?'
You don't think Juddy's appointment isn't 'jobs for the boys?'
You don't think David Campbell's appointment isn't 'jobs for the boys?'
I can name more.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 11:45 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I don't hate anyone. I just think if we're going to go through yet another premature sacking, then it should be for someone better than him.
Now that I understand. We might have something to discuss re 'premature', as that is purely subjective and you're obviously a far more patient person than I.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - PaulP - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 11:48 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Perhaps you mean, 'people who see things as I do...'
You don't think SOS's appointment isn't 'jobs for the boys?'
You don't think Juddy's appointment isn't 'jobs for the boys?'
You don't think David Campbell's appointment isn't 'jobs for the boys?'
I can name more.
SOS' appointment probably was. I don't know who Judd's friends are at the club - I'd say his appointment was 50/50 wrt jobs for the boys. Lloyd (as in Brad) and Bolton were not.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-21-2019
(04-20-2019, 11:59 PM)PaulP link Wrote:SOS' appointment probably was. I don't know who Judd's friends are at the club - I'd say his appointment was 50/50 wrt jobs for the boys. Lloyd (as in Brad) and Bolton were not.
Just curious, how do you know this?
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Thryleon - 04-21-2019
(04-21-2019, 12:08 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Just curious, how do you know this?
I think it's fair to assert this.
Neither figure had a previous relationship with our club.