(08-15-2021, 09:43 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Half of Melbourne took advantage of the nice weather this weekend to have a jolly down the Bellarine.  This "lock down" is an utter joke.

(08-14-2021, 12:11 PM)Mav link Wrote:The Ivermectin push does seem to be just a figleaf for antivaxxers. The big tell is that those who push it also claim vaccines are dangerous and ineffective. I could understand if proponents of Ivermectin argued that vaccines are a great first-line of defence but when infections occur more treatments are needed.

I have no problems with existing medications being trialled to see if they might give doctors another option. I don’t have a “vaccine or nothing” mentality. Steroids have proved of some use in about a third of cases. If it works, great. But one of the attractions of using pre-existing drugs at their usual dosage is that their contraindications and side-effects are known. But if the dosage is substantially increased in order to work against Covid, new safety trials are required and can only be justified if there is enough evidence that the drug will work at reasonably safe levels. Claims Ivermectin kills Covid in Petri dishes seems to be a long way from proving this. And it seems the initial testing involved high doses:
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/what-now-for-ivermectin

And the above article suggests later studies have concluded it’s not effective.

In any event, the University of Oxford was to start a trial in June, so we’ll have some decent data at the end of it.

(08-15-2021, 11:37 PM)Mav date Wrote:I’m sure if you splashed hydrochloric acid over the Covid virus in a Petri dish, those suckers wouldn’t last long. In fact, if you put a Covid patient into a hydrochloric acid bath, that would kill the virus too.

(08-14-2021, 12:11 PM)Mav date Wrote:And it seems the initial testing involved high doses:

Quote:“The authors claimed they conducted the study between the 8th of June and 20th of September 2020, however most of the patients who died were admitted into hospital and died before the 8th of June according to the raw data. The data was also terribly formatted, and includes one patient who left hospital on the non-existent date of 31/06/2020.”

There were other concerns.
“In their paper, the authors claim that four out of 100 patients died in their standard treatment group for mild and moderate Covid-19,” Lawrence said. “According to the original data the number was 0, the same as the ivermectin treatment group. In their ivermectin treatment group for severe Covid-19, the authors claim two patients died, but the number in their raw data is four.”

(08-16-2021, 01:22 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Rumour is the curfew is coming back.