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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 08-12-2021
(08-11-2021, 07:49 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:You have to go through a full on check in process to get into the wards now. My 4 year old son was in there a couple of months ago and my wife had to go downstairs each day to line up to get a new sticker.
My heart goes out to you, your missus and little boy, MBB.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-12-2021
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/astrazeneca-lead-scientist-says-delta-makes-mass-testing-pointless-in-uk-20210811-p58hpe.html
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 08-12-2021
(08-12-2021, 09:12 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/astrazeneca-lead-scientist-says-delta-makes-mass-testing-pointless-in-uk-20210811-p58hpe.html
One of my early points that counting cases is not really important if there aren't many getting sick, HOWEVER I did speak to my contact at work who tested positive today and one year on she still suffers from shortness of breathe and also still has weird smells that aren't existing (the egg like unleaded smell that cars emit sometimes).
We still have a lot to learn about covid but we probably should worry more about clinical impacts rather than cold like symptoms.
Its a real lose lose argument.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-14-2021
Wowza, the two main papers that supported the use of Ivermectin and HCQ have found to be faked.
While looking at a meta-analysis study a UK researcher discovered that firstly many of the studies repeat identical sentences, thinking that it was an indication of plagiarism he engaged support from a group of IT specialists to perform a deep data analysis of all the papers.
What they then found was very alarming, hundreds of trial patients having identical patient data, identical age, size, weight, blood count, viral load, this is statistically impossible. It's like finding a hundred identical twins spread around the globe, centuplets! :o
This prompted them to look into it further, of course guess what they found, many of the participating patients listed in the trial, as having consented to be part of the trial, had actually died before the trials for Ivermectin and HCQ had even started!
The authors of the original papers stated, "We've done nothing wrong!", .............. it seems except plagiarism and fraud! :o
Why am I not surprised! :
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-14-2021
Flyboy doesn’t care about academic and scientific fraud. He’ll say it’s just swiping at the man. He had no problem with that guy Dr Cole who made sensational claims and “supported” them by misrepresenting actual scientists’ work.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-14-2021
The Ivermectin push does seem to be just a figleaf for antivaxxers. The big tell is that those who push it also claim vaccines are dangerous and ineffective. I could understand if proponents of Ivermectin argued that vaccines are a great first-line of defence but when infections occur more treatments are needed.
I have no problems with existing medications being trialled to see if they might give doctors another option. I don’t have a “vaccine or nothing” mentality. Steroids have proved of some use in about a third of cases. If it works, great. But one of the attractions of using pre-existing drugs at their usual dosage is that their contraindications and side-effects are known. But if the dosage is substantially increased in order to work against Covid, new safety trials are required and can only be justified if there is enough evidence that the drug will work at reasonably safe levels. Claims Ivermectin kills Covid in Petri dishes seems to be a long way from proving this. And it seems the initial testing involved high doses:
Quote:The initial lab studies into ivermectin’s effect on the coronavirus involved very high concentrations of the drug. These were many times higher than can be achieved in the body at doses recommended to treat parasites.https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/what-now-for-ivermectin
And the above article suggests later studies have concluded it’s not effective.
In any event, the University of Oxford was to start a trial in June, so we’ll have some decent data at the end of it.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 08-15-2021
About time some of these idiot law breakers were hit with huge fines. I'd have doubled them to $10,000. $50,000 for anyone from extinction rebellion
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 08-15-2021
(08-15-2021, 07:15 AM)capcom link Wrote:About time some of these idiot law breakers were hit with huge fines. I'd have doubled them to $10,000. $50,000 for anyone from extinction rebellion
I would just fine everyone the same whether they're protesting, getting pissed outside pubs or celebrating ramadan.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-15-2021
Agreed. There should also be Govt ads emphasising what's not permitted in the current lockdown. Not that anyone really is ignorant but those ads would strip away the "I didn't know - I thought supervising my kids at the park so they could exercise meant I was allowed to bring down the picnic equipment and an esky and have a BBQ with a dozen friends". And the pub one is an easy one to shut down: the police can fine anyone drinking in the streets IIRC.
I also love the "Walking at 1 km/h and stopping frequently to chat with people I know for 10 minutes is such vigorous exercise that I can't be expected to wear a mask". Or the "I'm carrying an empty coffee cup, so I qualify for the 'drinking or eating' exemption". And I wasn't aware there was a "talking into your mobile phone (or rather, shouting into it)" exemption
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - spf - 08-15-2021
(08-15-2021, 07:42 AM)Mav link Wrote:And the pub one is an easy one to shut down: the police can fine anyone drinking in the streets IIRC.
All those outlets providing 'takeaway' liquor in cups are breaching their red line plan anyway. You have never been allowed to do that pre-covid. All should be fined by liquor licensing. If they are providing packaged liquor they know will be consumed in the street, then they shouldn't be doing it.