(08-07-2021, 02:34 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Vaccinations is the only way to beat covid. We haven't been able to have visitors in our homes for a month and we had 29 cases in one day.
Sydney are locked down and it still can't stop this.

(08-07-2021, 02:09 AM)Mav link Wrote:Hot off the press from FactCheck.org: Idaho Doctor Makes Baseless Claims About Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines.

Surely you could post some more reputable stuff. If you’d posted about a Doctor screaming about Demon blood, at least that would have been more interesting.

(08-07-2021, 06:25 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:Those fact check sites are drivel.

As is your usual, incapable of addressing the substance so swipe at the man.....

He's a nationally recognised pathologist. Eminently qualified to comment.

(08-07-2021, 06:33 AM)LP link Wrote:Hmm, his math is drivel, 11,045 vaccine deaths in the US would need 1,200,000,000 vaccinations! Unless Pfizer is 4x more deadly just to Americans!

He claims "they report" not one death from vaccine, nobody hurt from vaccine, he claims "that is what they tell you"

That is his lie!

The USA has only purchased about 500,000,000 Pfizer doses, and has only issued 208,000,000 Pfizer doses to July 2021! :o

(08-07-2021, 06:46 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:My last comment on this as too many of you have your heads firmly below ground.

(08-07-2021, 06:25 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Those fact check sites are drivel.

As is your usual, incapable of addressing the substance so swipe at the man.....

He's a nationally recognised pathologist. Eminently qualified to comment.

Quote:To those bogus claims, Cole has now added: “mRNA trials in mammals have led to odd cancers. mRNA trials on mammals have led to autoimmune diseases — not right away, six, nine, 12 months later.”

We asked Cole to provide support for those claims, and he referred us to a 2018 paper published in the journal Nature Reviews Drug Discovery that reviewed trials and studies of various, earlier mRNA vaccines.

But that paper doesn’t support his statement.

Norbert Pardi, a research assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, was the lead author of the paper. He told us in an email, “No publications demonstrate that mRNA vaccines cause cancer or autoimmune diseases.”

Pardi’s 19-page paper does make one passing reference to autoimmune diseases, which is what Cole highlighted to us.

The paper says: “A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity. Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.”

But, Pardi explained, he and the other researchers included that passage because they wanted to note some potential concerns. However, he emphasized that “no scientific evidence has confirmed that these concerns are real.”

It’s also worth noting that the paper predated the COVID-19 pandemic by two years, so it doesn’t include any information specifically about the COVID-19 vaccines.

Simply put, “there is no scientific evidence that shows that mRNA vaccines cause autoimmune diseases,” Pardi said. “Multiple clinical trials have been performed with mRNA vaccines in the past 10 years and none of them found that mRNA vaccination caused autoimmune diseases. Further, we are not aware of any studies showing an autoimmune disease appearing many months after vaccination as Dr. Cole inaccurately suggests.”

Likewise, Dr. Roger Shapiro, associate professor of immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told us in an email that he was unaware of any study that would support Cole’s claim that the vaccines are carcinogenic.

“There is nothing in the science of mRNA vaccines that would suggest carcinogenicity, and they have been tested in humans for other diseases before COVID-19,” Shapiro said. “mRNA rapidly breaks down in the body, and probably does not last long enough to act as a carcinogen.”

“Regarding autoimmunity,” he said, “this is always a concern with any medical product, but there is no evidence to date suggesting it, and it does not seem any more likely than with other vaccines. mRNA is made all the time in our bodies, and delivering it by vaccine should not be different.”

Dr. Dean Winslow, an infectious disease physician at Stanford Health Care, concurred with the other experts with whom we spoke. In a phone interview, he characterized Cole’s claims about cancer as “fearmongering” and said, “There’s just no scientific basis for that.”

“We’re talking about these very small fragments of messenger RNA that don’t hang around for long at all,” he said, noting that the mRNA vaccines have been in use for almost six months and have been “very safe, very well-tolerated vaccines.”

Winslow recognized that some people are concerned that the mRNA from the vaccine might persist in their bodies and somehow change their genetics or cause long-term effects. So he emphasized that the vaccines have small fragments of RNA, which survive only briefly and carry information about the virus that causes COVID-19.

Similarly, Pardi told us, “COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not alter our DNA and they get rapidly degraded so they do not promote cancer formation.”

(08-07-2021, 08:14 AM)Mav date Wrote:Fancy that: the good doctor makes a bombshell claim that mRNA trials had led to autoimmune disease but when challenged he sought to rely on a paper whose lead author says his paper didn’t support that claim. And experts in the area call Cole out for fearmongering and having no scientific basis for his claims.