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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-29-2016 (06-29-2016, 07:06 AM)Mav link Wrote:That's a typical Fox News segment, though, and the sort of nonsense I've been talking about. At least Andrea Tarantaros got the bullet, but it had nothing to do with her twisted views. The gossip is that a book deal she struck ran foul of Roger Ailes, the all-powerful boss of Fox News. The US approach to dealing with threats these days, especially Islamic ones, is via undercover operations via organisations such as SOCOM, use of drones, air strikes etc., and assination of leadership figures. Large scale boots on the ground operations are conducted by local forces as we have just seen in Fallujah. It's all pretty low profile and not something they want to draw a lot of media attention to. Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 06-29-2016 Yep. Obviously, that strategy can be debated. It can be attacked from both the left and the right. The drone program makes the left uneasy as opponents suggest it amounts to extra-judicial killings of alleged criminals. Right-wingers want to see a military response but they rarely concede that Americans might be in danger and they can't explain how military campaigns will eliminate terrorism and internet propaganda. Trump says he'll kill ISIS but won't explain what he'd do to achieve this. He won't exclude "boots on the ground" but also won't make any large-scale commitment. Apparently, just seeing him elected to the presidency will be enough for them to give up. I like Obama's low-profile strategy. The fact is that the Middle East will inevitably have less strategic importance in the future as oil becomes less important. There is a humanitarian dimension, of course, but I doubt whether American military intervention is very effective in solving those issues. All it does is play into then hands of jihadis. Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-29-2016 (06-29-2016, 08:24 AM)Mav link Wrote:Yep. Obviously, that strategy can be debated. It can be attacked from both the left and the right. The drone program makes the left uneasy as opponents suggest it amounts to extra-judicial killings of alleged criminals. Right-wingers want to see a military response but they rarely concede that Americans might be in danger and they can't explain how military campaigns will eliminate terrorism and internet propaganda. Trump says he'll kill ISIS but won't explain what he'd do to achieve this. He won't exclude "boots on the ground" but also won't make any large-scale commitment. Apparently, just seeing him elected to the presidency will be enough for them to give up. Very true and in fact the hands of the Americans are seen by some as being blood soaked as far as that is concerned and over a very long period of time. Noam Chomsky is very eloquent on this. I won't say any more for fear of being perceived as "radicalised". Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 06-29-2016 http://www.afr.com/news/world/north-america/donald-trump-calls-tpp-trade-deal-a-rape-of-the-us-20160629-gpujz8 Quote:He attacked Ms Clinton on her past support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade pact negotiated by the Obama government, and challenged her to pledge she would void the agreement in its entirety. "Smokin Joe" hits back ![]() Quote:Joe Hockey @JoeHockey 5h5 hours ago Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 06-29-2016 Trump sounding like Nigel Farage! Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 07-01-2016 OMG ... A claim alleging that Trump raped a 13yo in 1994 after tying her to a bed has been filed in a NY Federal Court. A 5 year limitation period expired a long time ago but the clock can be stopped if she was intimidated as she claims she was. Just the revelation that he hung around with a billionaire convicted paedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, should raise eyebrows. https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits#fullscreen?platform=hootsuite http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html How can this guy be a Presidential candidate? There's no way he could be elected to a local council over here while facing legal action over both rape and fraud. If he had shown the slightest decency towards others, one might feel some sympathy for him given these are unproven allegations. But he has repeatedly smeared others with nothing more than conjecture or conspiracy theories to back him up: e.g. accusing the Clintons of murder, Ted Cruz's father of being party to the assassination of JFK or Obama of faking his birth certificate and being a Muslim supporter of islamic terrorists. He gets no sympathy from me at all. Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 07-01-2016 @Mav An interesting development indeed! Then again it was highly unlikely that the establishment would sit back and be "Trumped" for the presidential nomination. At least his assassination, if that's what it turns out to be, is metaphorical atm. Keep you eye on Brexit too - developments there over the coming months will be illuminating.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 07-01-2016 (07-01-2016, 02:30 AM)Mav link Wrote:Just the revelation that he hung around with a billionaire convicted paedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, should raise eyebrows. Yep But does that apply to the Clintons as well Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 07-01-2016 It has to be said that the Jeffrey Epstein factor could also take down Clinton, but unless a complainant comes forward against him then mere association isn't necessarily fatal. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html So, a Cruz v Sanders contest isn't impossible. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried ... PS: Lods, I didn't see your post until I submitted mine. But as you can see, we are in heated agreement. Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 07-01-2016 (07-01-2016, 03:29 AM)Mav link Wrote:It has to be said that the Jeffrey Epstein factor could also take down Clinton, but unless a complainant comes forward against him then mere association isn't necessarily fatal. Prince Andrew gets a guernsey too. Yes mav I wouldn't be surprised if neither of the presumptive nominees make it to the start line. |