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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-03-2021

(08-03-2021, 02:41 PM)DJC date Wrote:The science is unequivocal and I really don't understand how/why anyone can't see that.
@DJC‍  Thanks for the links.

Unfortunately, for many I think the real science doesn't matter, Sars-CoV-2 has become more a political issue than a issue of health and welfare. That is at least until they get sick, at which time it all changes and it becomes doctors and scientists aren't doing enough to save me, ................... ! Wink

Having listened to lots of experts understanding the heterogeneity is key.  They can study and use that info to correctly and quickly lead to Sars-CoV-2 being used against itself, hopefully leading to better more efficacious vaccines that can stop infection and transmission as well as reducing case severity. In the long term the hope is we will have a vaccine that like the Influenza vaccine is a blend built on several less virulent strains but in total more effective, as well as a predictive model that will allow the more accurate forecasts of future Sars-CoV-2 strains, much like in already done with the Influenza vaccines.

An interesting side effect of Sars-CoV-2, the mitigation steps taken to address Sars-CoV-2 might be throwing a short term spanner in the Influenza modelling. Some experts are warning the plummeting Influenza case rate could have a detrimental effect on the models used to predict next seasons Influenza strains. Apparently, like the Sars-CoV-2 vaccines the Influenza vaccine doesn't stop us getting Influenza, it mostly just moderates the symptoms so the infection becomes mild or asymptomatic. But researchers still use how the current strains spread to feed data into the predictive modelling for next years Influenza. The lack of cases is ironically bad for the model, as a result there are doubts about which future strains are most likely to be prominent, the experts worry not enough is being done now to prepare for next years Influenza.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 08-03-2021

(08-03-2021, 02:41 PM)DJC link Wrote:If you're interested, here's some real science about COVID-19, not half-arsed garbage from charlatans:

First up there's "COVID research: a year of scientific milestones" published in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

One little snippet to whet your appetite:

Then there's "A look into the future of the COVID-19 pandemic in Europe: an expert consultation" published in The Lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00162-9/fulltext

A brief quote from that paper follows:

The science is unequivocal and I really don't understand how/why anyone can't see that. 

As we used to say in the Navy (oh, cr@p, here he goes again!), David -- Top Hole (where the premium rum was kept in them thar days of wooden ships).

As is my bent, I am fascinated by 'deniers' and the psychology of such folks and why they're drawn, somewhat compulsively, to such fringe and extremist views and the rejection of any science that is counter or different to their stance. I'll share some of my findings another time... not just my findings I should add. This is a phenomena that is well researched and reported on by a number of experts in the professions of psychology, psychiatry and allied fields.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-03-2021

The AFR had an article suggesting that to return to normal @70%Vaccination levels the global modelling says we would have to accept up to 20 deaths per day.
Pre Covid 8 people died per day in Australia from Influenza/Virus leading to pneumonia which may surprise some.
The AFR are of course balancing that vs the need to rebuild the world economies.
Selling 20 deaths a day including some vaccinated people in those numbers won't be an easy sell as well as carrying high numbers of infections maybe for a couple of years.
It may take mask wearing and light restrictions still applying to see the end of lockdowns even with decent vaccination rates..


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 08-04-2021

(08-03-2021, 02:41 PM)DJC link Wrote:If you're interested, here's some real science about COVID-19, not half-arsed garbage from charlatans:

First up there's "COVID research: a year of scientific milestones" published in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

One little snippet to whet your appetite:

Then there's "A look into the future of the COVID-19 pandemic in Europe: an expert consultation" published in The Lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00162-9/fulltext

A brief quote from that paper follows:

The science is unequivocal and I really don't understand how/why anyone can't see that. 

Gee, you go away for half a day and the boys gather round for a back slapping session.

So be it.

1. The Spanish Flu

They did not lock down, they quarantined the sick.

Healthy people were not.

Masks - indeed, the likely causes of most of the deaths due to Bacterial Pneumonia.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic

Quote:Pathologists of the time, he adds, were nearly unanimous in the conviction that deaths were not caused directly by the then-unidentified influenza virus, but rather resulted from severe secondary pneumonia caused by various bacteria.

That is, due to dirty masks.

2. HCQ

David Boulware is a shill.

The science gents?

https://c19hcq.com/

C'mon David and Baggers, highlight the half arsed science?

And guess what, with an anti viral, yes, won't work if the storm has already hit. No one denies that.

The infamous UK 'Recovery trial?

It dosed the subjects 2400mg in the first 24 hours. That is a near lethal dosage.

Designed to fail.

3. Ivermectin

Unlike HCQ, Ivermectin appears to have some (very good) outcome in folk post hospitalisation.

Both drugs are cheap, readily available in large volume and have a remarkable safety profile over decades.

https://bird-group.org/health-professionals-resources/

and

https://c19ivermectin.com/

And there are numerous other EARLY treatments too.

Doctors have suggested more than half of the COVID attributed deaths could have been avoided with early treatment.

Love the Group think though folks.

Sadly, it's not me in denial.

Quote:As is my bent, I am fascinated by 'deniers' and the psychology of such folks and why they're drawn, somewhat compulsively, to such fringe and extremist views

Baggers, your condescension is an embarrassment.

I expected better from you.

But when one forms their views from the (largely) compromised MSM and the back of cereal packets, well.....




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 08-04-2021

And here's some more fringe science from fringe groups on masks.

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Or you could even read the gold standard Danish RCT study.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33205991/

With additional commentary here:

https://swprs.org/danish-mask-study-no-benefit/

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 08-04-2021

Oh, and Sweden?

So, yes, there are very clearly alternatives to lockdowns and mask mandates....

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/?s=09

https://www.aier.org/article/sweden-despite-variants-no-lockdowns-no-daily-covid-deaths/



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-04-2021

That's the way to do it! New York City is introducing a requirement that anyone working at or seeking to enter restaurants or other indoor entertainment or gyms must show proof of vaccination. Everyone is happy. After all, anyone who is worried about chips being slipped into the vaccine don't have to take it and they don't have to mix any longer with those cyborgs who've been duped.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-04-2021

(08-04-2021, 12:26 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:Oh, and Sweden?

So, yes, there are very clearly alternatives to lockdowns and mask mandates....

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/?s=09

https://www.aier.org/article/sweden-despite-variants-no-lockdowns-no-daily-covid-deaths/
Sweden did some interesting things that left in on the brink of political chaos, when the news about it's failing strategy got bad, it stopped reporting COVID case figures, and tried to rewrite the rules about what is a COVID death to make the numbers look better. The Swedish public are furious, it looks like they will turf out the government.

The Swedish government's action has made it look like a totalitarian state, which is somewhat ironic for it to be offered up as a beacon of hope towards COVID freedom!

The second link is an outright fabrication, Sweden gets more than 1200 deaths per Million of population. So far they have had more than 14,000 die. That was just up until the point they stopped reporting, now open source estimates from NGOs are estimating the death rate has risen beyond 1600 per Million of population. Australia has about 36 deaths per Million. If we used Sweden's results to model a similar response in Australia, Australia would already have more than 38,000 COVID deaths, almost as much as all Australian deaths in the great wars!

In Sweden the bad numbers have been rising not falling! :o

Of course they will eventually get to a peak, via one way or the other, but at what cost.

It turns out that the Herd Immunity strategy is an economic disaster as well, they have a small highly skilled population that is being massively disrupted by the symptoms of Long COVID. So far it's economy has dropped -3.5%, not the -1.5% often reported which is actually a 2022 forecast from the Swedish Central bank, not a real number. Now the sceptics will say -3.5% is nothing, but that is relative to Sweden's EU neighbours which have faired much better after taking a more conventional approach, some have even experienced some 2021 growth! Wink

On COVID-19 cases relative to it's neighbours, countries like Denmark, Finland and Norway, it turns out Sweden is 500% worse off in most key infection and case rates.

Finally, the quarterly COVID-19 fatality rate for Sweden is 0.5% per case, worse than the world average of about 0.3% per case. This is despite Sweden being a well resourced technologically advanced country, it should be doing better than most not worse. So not only do they have more cases, they are below par at treating them!

No wonder the Swedish public is furious!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 08-04-2021

"How dare you" !!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-04-2021

Back in the real world, Covid's just doing what it does. Sydney reports 233 cases and unfortunately a man in his 20s just died. He reached day 13, telling nurses (he wasn't in hospital) that he was just a little fatigued. Then his condition deteriorated rapidly.