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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 08-01-2021

(08-01-2021, 12:47 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes after the 2nd shot, but a longer interval after only the 1st dose increases the time risk of infection or transmission.

There is not much solid data on the difference between Pfizer and AZ for the Delta variant after only the 1st shot, but both appear to be about 65% effective at that early stage. The people I've heard talking about this suggest cross vaccination is the best strategy to maximise efficacy, but not many regions are doing it. However it's likely they will start to cross vaccinate as Delta grabs hold, so that patients get a strong reaction for both antibodies and T-Cell immunity.

T cell immunity from the vaccines? we'll see.

65% efficacy for delta - ROFL.

This guys reckons closer to zero.

https://rumble.com/vjs5hv-dr-peter-mccullough-on-australias-plan-to-open-the-borders..html

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-01-2021

(08-01-2021, 12:43 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:Sober reading on Pfizer.

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Pfizer-pharmacokinetics-and-toxicity.pdf
The risks from Pfizer or AZ are similar, only the popular media / social media differentiate and that causes a public / political reaction.

The paper you link is a bit ordinary, it is talking about real world effects but exacerbates the bad effects. Also if you look at the last page and all the anonymous references, that's often a comment about the poor quality of the data and the inability of others to reproduce the results. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-01-2021

(08-01-2021, 12:51 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:T cell immunity from the vaccines? we'll see.

65% efficacy for delta - ROFL.

This guys reckons closer to zero.

https://rumble.com/vjs5hv-dr-peter-mccullough-on-australias-plan-to-open-the-borders..html
Popular media and unqualified commentary associate efficacy with immunity, but efficacy is not purely a measure of immunity, efficacy is a combination of immunity / resistance as well as a reduction of symptoms and transmission.

A vaccine can even delivery zero immunity but still be high in efficacy if it greatly diminishes acute symptoms.

Almost no vaccine in history offers 65% immunity, or even 50% immunity, but that doesn't mean that they aren't delivering 65% or greater efficacy.

The way this is reported in social media alludes to some controversy, but there isn't and it could be the case that if they are measured the same way AZ and Pfizer are equal in efficacy. However there is a debate going on asking for global standards for measuring efficacy.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-01-2021

Media are conflating two distinctly separate aspects of Sars-CoV-2 and trying to build some controversy.

The media are quoting experts who say there is no hope of elimination, and publishing conclusions that is due to the failed vaccination scheme or failed efficacy. But that is not true.

The experts are saying there is no hope of elimination because Sars-CoV-2 is now endemic and the chance to eliminate it is long passed us by.

Reduced vaccinations rates extend the pandemic, and delayed roll out is the primary reason for this, not reduced efficacy.

Many people are getting vaccinated too late, they left it to the last minute and as such even after vaccination they have not had enough time to develop a strong enough reaction to the vaccine. It takes about 4 weeks bare minimum for a vaccine dose to work.

Scotty and Gladys left it too late, they started off with the wrong tactic and also acted too slowly, and now that is a price NSW and Australia is paying or will pay.

It's alarming how silly some people can be, I know several who immediately departed Vic when the lockdown was lifted, leaving for the Gold Coast / Sunshine Coast! Now they are stuck there with a 14 days mandatory isolation if they return, they can't leave their accommodation and have limited restaurants or commercial services open for a next few days. They don't get that it's not over for any of us until it is over for all of us.

The quickest way out of this is for everyone to comply, if they don't then we are almost stuck in this loop forever, or at least until effective post infection treatments become available.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 08-01-2021

And NSW has another very bad preceding day number of cases.  A mess.  The natives must be getting very restless.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-01-2021

(08-01-2021, 01:11 AM)LP link Wrote:Many people are getting vaccinated too late, they left it to the last minute and as such even after vaccination they have not had enough time to develop a strong enough reaction to the vaccine. It takes about 4 weeks bare minimum for a vaccine dose to work.
I watched an interview with a nurse in the US who said patients being admitted with Covid often beg her for the vaccine but she has to tell them it’s too late for that. Another nurse reported that she has had Covid patients on death’s door who refuse to accept they have Covid (a bit like Trump refusing to accept that he lost to “that guy”).

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-01-2021

(08-01-2021, 02:03 AM)Mav date Wrote:Another nurse reported that she has had Covid patients on death’s door who refuse to accept they have Covid.
You know as well as I do, it's really 5G! :o ;D

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - dodge - 08-01-2021

(08-01-2021, 12:43 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Sober reading on Pfizer.

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Pfizer-pharmacokinetics-and-toxicity.pdf

I couldn't get past the first sentence of the second paragraph.  Not referenced and subjective.  First paragraph was interesting and was willing to go on!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 08-02-2021

Cue the caterwauling ... looks like sports events will require proof of vaccinations and private businesses will be able to exclude the non-vaccinated as well. Not yet, but later on this year maybe. About bloody time! We should hire Arnold Swartznegger to do an advert telling the wankers who will bog on about their right to choose that “You have the right to die!”

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 08-02-2021

Interesting that Warne was fully vaccinated and still got Covid.