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Re: SSM Plebiscite - PaulP - 09-28-2017
(09-28-2017, 01:29 AM)LP link Wrote:How many jars can a man open in one day? :o
Think about the hot water bill!
What happens when they all enter menopause and start arguing over the thermostat, and if they don't agree about the choice of the Bachelor/Bachelorette?
I'd need to buy extra lawnmowers, vacuum cleaners, irons, washing machines and install a bigger kitchen!
There could be some advantages, hopefully some of them like painting!
What would happen if they discover I'm a misogynist?
That's probably as good a place as any to leave the silliness for now I'd say.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - LP - 09-28-2017
(09-28-2017, 02:51 AM)PaulP link Wrote:That's probably as good a place as any to leave the silliness for now I'd say.
Quote:I'm getting hate from old white dudes!
But he is an old white dude, 35 I believe, pretending to be a young white dude!
[img width=300]https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/59501b3ccbe9a65c4275f05f/master/w_790/Macklemore_Photo%20by%20Joerg%20Koch:Redferns_GettyImages-692035490.jpg[/img]
No wonder I'm confused! :o
Re: SSM Plebiscite - DJC - 09-28-2017
(09-28-2017, 03:04 AM)LP link Wrote:But he is an old white dude, 35 I believe, pretending to be a young white dude!
[img width=300]https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/59501b3ccbe9a65c4275f05f/master/w_790/Macklemore_Photo%20by%20Joerg%20Koch:Redferns_GettyImages-692035490.jpg[/img]
No wonder I'm confused! :o
35 is not old LP; it is very young
Re: SSM Plebiscite - LP - 09-28-2017
(09-28-2017, 05:23 AM)DJC link Wrote:35 is not old LP; it is very young
Yet he's old enough to be dad for most of his fans, and a brother to many of us old white dudes!
Luckily though, I'm beige!
Re: SSM Plebiscite - kruddler - 09-28-2017
(09-27-2017, 12:14 PM)mateinone link Wrote:You do realise that right there you have suggested that incest is a downward slope from same sex marriage right?
That in the very essence of that comment, you are stating that incest is 'wrong', which is based solely on a judgment you have made on what you have been taught is acceptable as a relationship between to people.
So... how is that more or less acceptable, than a person who has been raised in a rural area, or an older person who doesn't "waste their time online or at cafes", who isn't part of the latte and smashed avocado generation and thinks that gay marriage is wrong as it normalises a relationship they believe is unnatural and and demeans a union they consider sacred?
We are all so judgmental, because we have been raised in an online politically correct generation, we are online and we all have friends who are openly homosexual. But that doesn't represent everyone and the older generations, plus rural areas have been raised under different circumstances.
My sister's grandfather if he was alive would have voted "NO".
I could be 100% certain of that.
He didn't believe in relationships out of marriage, he would never have met an openly gay person and wouldn't accept that as a legitimate relationship. He would not even leave the tv on if two people were kissing.
We was a wonderful man, but he would never have believed in SSM.
No that isn't based on lies or mistruths.
It is based on their upbringing, exactly the same way we are drawing out conclusions now
No, i am quoting 'arguments' that i have heard on the topic.
NO voters have used that argument. I'm pointing out that there isn't any real correlation between the whole thing and the argument is invalid. I'm not talking sides one way or another.
I've already mentioned that cultural upbringing is relative and different forms of right/wrong exist based on this.
I've also already pointed out that older people are were the majority of the no-voters would be coming from....for the reasons you've mentioned.
However, in all of the above, some of it is illegal, some is not. In this country at least, taking the next step in something that is legal, is an easy step to make.
Voting yes makes a lot of people happy.
Voting no, makes a lot of people unhappy. Those that are happy are basically unaffected by it one way or another.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - kruddler - 09-28-2017
(09-28-2017, 12:28 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:The links between homosexuality in the animal kingdom and humanity are as tenuous as saying that SSM will open the floodgates for homosexual propaganda in schools.
Animals do display homosexual behaviour, but are not exclusively homosexual and we would at best be projecting human behavioural patterns onto animals rather than actual observed homosexuality as the reasons behind it are widespread and varying but ultimately have almost nothing to do with sexual preference but are sometimes related to gratification.
I.e. two male dogs hump each other, and this is about dominance, not gratification nor homosexuality.
IMHO the animals are irrelevant in this circumstance because you will analyse every species and get different answers as to how we as humans should behave, when we are discussing completely different biology and evolutionary influences. See the Sea Horse reproductive system for reasons why it's irrelevant to the discussion.
The purpose of that comment was as a counter argument to 'homosexuals not being natural'. Like it is some kind of human 'disease'. Again, a silly argument.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - kruddler - 09-28-2017
Lies and mistruths....
![[Image: zzzMothersAndFathersMatterPoster1_large_opt.jpg]](https://m0.her.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/07130837/zzzMothersAndFathersMatterPoster1_large_opt.jpg)
Same sex couple can surrogate in all states except WA.
In WA and ACT same sex couple can adopt.
Regardless of what happens in the debate, the above photo already happens!
Voting NO won't change that.
Scare tactics that are based on bollocks.
If you want to vote no, vote no, but make sure the reason you are doing so is a legitimate one, not based on propoganda.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - DJC - 09-28-2017
(09-28-2017, 10:22 PM)kruddler link Wrote:If you want to vote no, vote no, but make sure the reason you are doing so is a legitimate one, not based on propoganda.
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Re: SSM Plebiscite - Lods - 09-29-2017
I suspect folk will vote NO for whatever reason THEY want
Don't get worked up about it because they wont put any weight on your suggestions.
That's the thing...I don't believe there are many undecideds in this...but there are a lot of "not votings"
By now everyone's just about made up their minds.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - kruddler - 09-29-2017
(09-29-2017, 07:30 AM)Lods link Wrote:I suspect folk will vote NO for whatever reason they want
Don't get worked up about it because they wont put any weight on your suggestions.
That's the thing...I don't believe there are many undecideds in this...but there are a lot of "not votings"
By now everyone's just about made up their minds.
See if i was sitting on the fence, and one side of the debate was trotting out BS like that, then it would make me vote against that and vote for the opposition.
Yes, people will vote no for whatever reason they want. I guess my point is, should this plebiscite end up being 50-50 and politicians choose to stick with no, its because of all the lies being told that have swayed people.
I just don't like ill informed people making judgements on peoples lives that will have no effect on themselves whatsoever.