(07-24-2021, 04:19 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Lp.  You missed the part where we continue eliminating covid which means no further deaths vs the adverse reactions still to come in the remaining 70% of the population.

(07-24-2021, 04:19 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Oh forget it, this is way over your head

(07-24-2021, 08:08 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:ITAGI now recommending people esp in SW Sydney to consider AZ. Risk profile apparently changing esp in light of the new strain.

(07-24-2021, 07:11 AM)Mav link Wrote:Vaccinations may reduce the transmission of the Delta Variant in 2 ways: vaccinated people:

1. may be less likely to become infected, and if you’re not infected you won’t give it to anyone else.
   
2. may be less infectious if they do become infected and may therefore be less likely to infect others than unvaccinated people.
   

I think there’s some evidence to support both propositions, but I’m not informed enough to go further than that.

If either or both of the above propositions are correct, then the more people vaccinate, the less transmission there will be in the community. The odds of vaccinated and unvaccinated people being infected will then be reduced.

Any reduction in transmission rates will help to prevent Covid mutating into more dangerous variants, or at least will help to delay those mutations. More dangerous variants will be a threat to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

(07-24-2021, 09:31 AM)kruddler date Wrote:For those who have listened to Stuff You Should Know podcast, one of the 2 blokes there has got covid recently and talked about it.
He said him and about 14 other people all went out to dinner together at some resteraunt. All of them were completely vaccinated.
40% of them have since come down with COVID despite this.
Where he is they won't don't test to tell him which strain it is, but he's pretty confident it is the delta strain. His Doc is saying it appears to be only 60% effective against the delta strain.
He said he felt crap for a couple of days, and its pretty much just like the common cold. He is able to continue the podcast and he just sounds a little bit congested, but otherwise fine.

(07-24-2021, 09:51 AM)Mav link Wrote:If a pilot develops epilepsy or diabetes, he’s out of a job. If a coach can’t or won’t comply with a measure intended to protect his team and the NFL, isn’t he out of a job?

(07-24-2021, 10:53 AM)capcom link Wrote:Not entirely true ... I know some diabetic pilots

(07-24-2021, 09:09 AM)LP link Wrote:Except that is the second equation, based on the current rate of adverse effects it's 72 deaths for about 24,000,000 1st vaccinations if we assume the worst case that everyone is ICU perishes as grim as that may be.

If we use the current real world adverse reaction numbers, it's a lower total of 18 deaths for 24,000,000 vaccinations, or 1/50 the number of COVID-19 deaths already accumulated, ignoring future COVID-19 deaths which will increase but hopefully not too much. However, there is no chance of constraining COVID-19 deaths to a number lower than adverse vaccine reaction deaths.

Of course, even a fully vaccinated 90% population, you can't eliminate COVID-19 which leaves 10% of the population vulnerable.IC you've become offended, that was a tad predictable.

I thought you would support Flyboy in avoiding ad hominem attacks, yet I'm not surprised.