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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-24-2021

Keep one back for me.

163 cases in NSW. They’re on the way to setting a new record. It seems the current record, set in the initial outbreak last year, is around 240 for a daily figure and around 200 on a 7 day average.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-24-2021

(07-24-2021, 01:12 AM)PaulP date Wrote:There is, from what I've read, plenty of AZ doses sitting around unused, unloved and unwanted. At least the government has made a commitment to donating these to other countries in our region, so a massive big ups for that.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/27/australias-surplus-astrazeneca-covid-vaccines-will-be-donated-to-neighbouring-countries

Yep, I believe we are exporting a million a week to Indonesia, PNG, Fiji and other Pacific Island nations, it must be burning for the right wing anti-vaxxer racists to hear the vaccines they refuse are saving some SE Asian lives! ;D

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-24-2021

(07-24-2021, 01:22 AM)Mav date Wrote:Keep one back for me.

163 cases in NSW. They’re on the way to setting a new record. It seems the current record, set in the initial outbreak last year, is around 240 for a daily figure and around 200 on a 7 day average.

I'm hoping like hell we break the global trend and this doesn't convert into deaths over the next 2 to 3 weeks, the health authorities will deserve a medal if they can prevent that from happening!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-24-2021

(07-24-2021, 01:12 AM)PaulP link Wrote:There is, from what I've read, plenty of AZ doses sitting around unused, unloved and unwanted. At least the government has made a commitment to donating these to other countries in our region, so a massive big ups for that.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/27/australias-surplus-astrazeneca-covid-vaccines-will-be-donated-to-neighbouring-countries

Probably coming up to the expiry date as well.....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 07-24-2021

If the AZ doses are not considered good enough for us how come we think they’re good enough for others?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-24-2021

(07-24-2021, 01:29 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Probably coming up to the expiry date as well.....

AZ has quite a long shelf life compared to Pfizer, the new version of Pfizer only just starting to appear on shelves has a longer shelf life than the original.

I've heard they were throwing Pfizer away by the thousands early due to the short shelf life and onerous storage requirements, I've also been told by someone that claims to have CSR contacts that stopping the Pfizer waste is the real reason why they adjusted the eligible age groups.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 07-24-2021

For an old Greenie like me, one thing that has always bugged me about the Pfizer is the storage requirements (all those doses at -70 degrees would carry a significant environmental cost). The other thing is that any long term issues with Pfizer remain unknown, because it's a new technology. The AZ, whatever issues exist with DVT etc., is a technology that has been road tested for decades. And it is much lower maintenance.

Having had the Pfzier, I might wake up one day with gills, or worse, a die hard Essendon supporter lol.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 07-24-2021

(07-24-2021, 01:36 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:If the AZ doses are not considered good enough for us how come we think they’re good enough for others?

I’m sure Indonesia could distribute all the AZ doses we give them among 60+ year olds if they wish. Hell, with their population they could give them to 90+ year olds without making much of a dent. And if they take a more pragmatic approach to giving it to younger age groups, would they be wrong?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 07-24-2021

baggers don't bite, LP is just being contrary because he can't agree to disagree on a hypothetical scenario where we have vaccinated significantly (i can't believe how often i have to repeat this) that at the current rate (bold ticked underlined etc) of adverse reaction to covid and the vaccine we will likely (qualifying statement) see more adverse reactions to the vaccine in the short term (qualifying statement) than we will from covid until (qualifying statement) we let it rip and then and only then will that relationship flip.

So my point is that the shit show surrounding covid is yet to really begin and the video spf showed us that normality is gone and you can get used to lockdowns in the medium term.

Understand?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 07-24-2021

(07-24-2021, 12:42 AM)LP link Wrote:Nobody I know taking a rational vaccination position has claimed that, certainly no scientists and no health professionals. Vaccines haven't got 100% efficacy, and they won't be without patients who have reactions, the assertion vaccines aren't perfect is only used by naysayers and anti-vaxxers to create certain uncertainty.

btw., If you answered my earlier question about the reactions to 2nd doses, really thought about it and both possible answers, you'd realise how silly your assertion is that the vaccines will at some point become deadlier than the endemic virus. It just takes a little bit of mindful thought before making a statement to realise how wrong the assertion you've repeated here is.

I'll prompt you to think about this by asking some basic questions if you like, but don't get defensive if it makes your earlier posts look somewhat silly?

Can you stop arguing a point that fundamentally agrees with your position regarding vaccines?

Talk about sounding stupid.