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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 05-20-2024
For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.
He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.
If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 06:25 AM)kruddler link Wrote:For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.I agree there is nothing better to bring in, Ollie's attacking game is ok, Im probably more concerned about his defensive side and opponents getting off the leash but he is still a newbie with upside so that should improve. Id even be trying him as a small forward and seeing if he can give us something more than the present occupants of those positions.
He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.
If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - tonyo - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 06:25 AM)kruddler date Wrote:For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.I saw one part where he was 'chasing' Warner down the wing, and he was truly in second gear at best.
He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.
If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.
That's the problem with so many of the team atm - not bad when they've got the ball, but almost disinterested when they don't.........
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 07:02 AM)tonyo link Wrote:I saw one part where he was 'chasing' Warner down the wing, and he was truly in second gear at best.
That's the problem with so many of the team atm - not bad when they've got the ball, but almost disinterested when they don't.........
Without knowing the incident you are talking about i can't really comment too much.
However, i do know that Hollands (with Walsh and Cottrell) do more km's a match than everyone else in the team.
Same group do more 'repeat sprints' than anyone else as well.
So its definitely possible that that what you witnessed could've come after some big runs/sprints that took a bit of the sting out of his legs and did not have a chance to recover.
Had you pointed the same out about just about anyone else, then more than likely it would be nothing more than effort. With Hollands though, it could be more about exhaustion more than effort.
Perhaps he needs to be smarter with his running and running patterns so he does not fall in a hole when we need him, not sure.
I just know that i'd be pointing the finger at plenty of others before i got to him.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 07:07 AM)kruddler date Wrote:However, i do know that Hollands (with Walsh and Cottrell) do more km's a match than everyone else in the team.For me the only thing we need Ollie to polish up on is his disposal, making quicker decisions so he is not getting pegged with the footy, and hitting more targets. Even so his DE% isn't too bad, but once or twice a game he has a shocker that costs us on the turnover.
I'd love to see some Diesel sessions with some of our blokes to get the handball crisp and decisive.
I won't mentioned who my preferred out would be, it seems to be an emotional issue for some.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - pertz - 05-20-2024
From the SEN Website re Friday's game.
Nothing new here....
What they got wrong
Carlton’s midfield is too slow
Sydney isn’t the first team to exploit Carlton when they play all of Cripps, Kennedy and Hewett, but it was particularly evident on Friday night.
The Swans did as they pleased at centre bounces and when the ball went their way, they were off to the races.
Carlton clearly noticed the issue, trying Corey Durdin on-ball at stages, but that’s not the answer either.
The Blues need more dynamic players in the middle and Elijah Hollands is surely the one to receive a few opportunities in Adam Cerra’s absence.
Too many forwards don’t touch the footy
Corey Durdin and Orazio Fantasia both played full games of footy on Thursday night for a combined 10 disposals, four tackles and 0.1.
Tom De Koning also spent 80 per cent of the game forward as Marc Pittonet assumes full control of the ruck – De Koning had six disposals, one mark and didn’t hit the scoreboard.
Carlton needs to revamp their forward mix and needs desperately to hope Lachie Fogarty and Jesse Motlop are available to return this weekend.
The Blues also should go back to one ruckman and try to get their forward-half pressure game back, given it has dropped away significantly.
Nic Negrepontis
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - shawny - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 06:25 AM)kruddler link Wrote:For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.
He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.
If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.
Agree. Ollie is not a problem and while he is not perfect im far more concerned at the lack of defensive effort from the reigning coleman medalist.
He is lazy selfish and needs to improve that side of his game imo.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 07:47 AM)shawny link Wrote:Agree. Ollie is not a problem and while he is not perfect im far more concerned at the lack of defensive effort from the reigning coleman medalist.Agree...been a bit of video footage on TV regarding his lack of second efforts and he needs to improve that part of his game.
He is lazy selfish and needs to improve that side of his game imo.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Professer E - 05-20-2024
De Konig is another who seems to escape criticism. When is the potential going to actually become something tangible? Getting tired of waiting.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - pinot - 05-20-2024
We got beaten in the middle - they had two taggers basically - Rowbottom was on a tackling warpath and Jordan kept holding onto Walsh restricting him from hunting the ball. We didn't reciprocate with our own tagger(s) - Pitto had zero tackles and Grundy had a party on him. I understand we are trying to implement our own style but clubs have figured us out and taggers are now back in vogue.