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Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - LP - 04-04-2024
(04-03-2024, 11:57 AM)pinot date Wrote:A consistent home and away team needs stability and understanding your roles.Agreed, he is not in good form yet but his confidence is growing and form should improve with confidence.
TDK has been great in the ruck - looks much more battle hardened now and winning more tackles and clearances..and hit outs than last year. I don't think he is in good form its his natural growth and no one knows where his ceiling is just yet. Lets find out where that is and we will never find out if his rhythm is disrupted.
If anything it's an even bigger positive because he is finding ways to have influence even if he isn't dominating. In particular his 2nd Efforts and Body work are up on previous seasons, which makes it possible to put the brakes on opposition while making life just a little easier for Cripps and our other Mids.
One of the biggest things rucks learn with experience is where to be and when, putting themselves in just the right position to leave space for team-mates while hindering opponents. Kreuzer was always good at it, Gawn is exceptional, it happens 5m or 10m away from where the ball is to force opponents to deviate in a chase or be delayed closing space.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - DJC - 04-04-2024
I reckon Tom De Koning is in career best form. I think that's largely due his greater opportunity to stay involved in the game this season.
From a statistical viewpoint, most of his numbers are significantly higher, particularly hitouts, tackles, metres gained, inside 50s and rebound 50s, and his disposal efficiency is much higher. He is ranked 6th for hitouts.
The thing with Tom is that we really don't know how good he can be.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - LP - 04-04-2024
For me good form in the ruck isn't just about personal stats, it's about stopping opponents from getting similar results. It's always been one of my arguments against some of our alternative 2nd ruck options, because despite doing OK themselves they aren't able to restrict their opponents, they let opponents of the leash.
So for me a ruck in very good form dominates and supresses opponents, at the moment TDK is playing well but for me he is mostly breaking even with his direct opponents.
Don't get me wrong, he's playing well, and going head to head with very good rucks like Gawn and Nankervis, when he puts them to the sword like they have done to him in the past that's when he'll be at his best.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-04-2024
Not sure TDK is going that great....didnt think he dominated vs Nth and his opponent Xerri who could be described as awkward at best matched him in the ruck and was better in the clearances and contested work. Think both of them took one mark for the game each....
Im not paying TDK a zillion a year based on that effort and imho he is a tad overrated for what he delivers....I preferred his game when Pittonet would spend the first half softening their opponents up and TDK would take over later in the game and be more dominating....
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - tonyo - 04-04-2024
(04-04-2024, 05:26 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Not sure TDK is going that great....didnt think he dominated vs Nth and his opponent Xerri who could be described as awkward at best matched him in the ruck and was better in the clearances and contested work. Think both of them took one mark for the game each....I think the other thing to think about in this equation is how beneficial it has been for Harry to be the support ruckman - he gets to escape the smothering that happens in the forward line, get some disposals and make an impact - and I reckon his forward work has improved because of that. If we run TDK and Pitto, Harry probably stays stuck in the forward line.
Im not paying TDK a zillion a year based on that effort and imho he is a tad overrated for what he delivers....I preferred his game when Pittonet would spend the first half softening their opponents up and TDK would take over later in the game and be more dominating....
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-04-2024
(04-04-2024, 05:52 AM)tonyo link Wrote:I think the other thing to think about in this equation is how beneficial it has been for Harry to be the support ruckman - he gets to escape the smothering that happens in the forward line, get some disposals and make an impact - and I reckon his forward work has improved because of that. If we run TDK and Pitto, Harry probably stays stuck in the forward line.Fair points Tonyo...Harry has benefited from his holidays from the forward line and seems happier with himself which has made us a better team so far. I still think there is a place for Pittonet in a horses for courses sense and Im still unsure on TDK and how he will go rucking the majority of every game for the entire season. Be a good test for TDK vs Jackson from Freo who has been playing better with Darcy missing and I'll be watching with interest how he and Harry handle the workload.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - rocky - 04-04-2024
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Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - Professer E - 04-04-2024
HTF Fantasia keeps getting a game is beyond me. The photos must be incriminating.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - Sexybronco - 04-04-2024
(04-04-2024, 08:22 AM)Professer E link Wrote:HTF Fantasia keeps getting a game is beyond me. The photos must be incriminating.I don't think he's been all that bad, albeit his possession count has been low, he definitely has a touch of class when he gets his hands on it. You also need to look at who he is keeping out and I'm not sure anyone is knocking the door down ATM. This will definitely change in the coming weeks as Martin, and Motlop become available.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - Professer E - 04-04-2024
Both of those need to come back via the seconds. No automatic selections. No passengers.