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Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - Lods - 11-03-2023
(11-03-2023, 07:34 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Kane Kornes has picked us for the flag.
He's setting the bar at the highest level so he can say we didn't live up to expectations if we only make a prelim.
Just on Ollie Hollands....you could probably argue he had his 'second year blues' (if you believe in such a thing) in the second half of the year, after he was injured.
This kid is made of pretty stern stuff.
Don't write his 2024 off too soon.
As Kruddler said some players get better.
Some perform worse.
If your club has more players going better there's a fair chance you get a better ladder position...even if other clubs also improve.
Some may even overtake you...but our players are all the right side of their prime or already there.
The expectation is improvement, and from third position after finals... guess where that puts us.
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - DJC - 11-03-2023
(11-03-2023, 05:06 AM)LP link Wrote:2nd year blues is a symptom of being the system long enough for the opposition to build a portfolio of your strengths and weaknesses, it is not related to the stats or the year of draft.
It's about finding ways to continue to influence games when the opposition have learnt how to make you uncomfortable or ineffective, and it's very real. Virtually every players suffers it, because they are facing opponents for a 2nd or 3rd time and the honeymoon is over, they are no longer known unknowns.
A great example, after his breakthrough season opposition started pushing Cripps onto his left side, he still got plenty of footy after all he is almost unstoppable, but his effectiveness diminished. He could barely make contact with his left foot and he started doing blind over the shoulder handballs and the like. Over the next couple of seasons he developed ways to give himself time and space so he could be more effective. Only recently he's started using his left foot, it's still not great but it buys him even more time and space because opponents can no longer just force him that way.
That is seriously underrating Crippa’s performance in his second season - when he won his first JNM - as well as conceding that he didn’t suffer from the mythical second year blues.
It’s a fan’s concept that doesn’t happen in the real world.
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - DJC - 11-03-2023
(11-03-2023, 07:34 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Kane Kornes has picked us for the flag.
He went the early crow with Collingwood before last season ?
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - crashlander - 11-03-2023
(11-03-2023, 07:34 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Kane Kornes has picked us for the flag.God, we're in real trouble!
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - northernblue - 11-03-2023
(11-03-2023, 07:40 AM)Lods link Wrote:He's setting the bar at the highest level so he can say we didn't live up to expectations if we only make a prelim.
Just on Ollie Hollands....you could probably argue he had his 'second year blues' (if you believe in such a thing) in the second half of the year, after he was injured.
This kid is made of pretty stern stuff.
Don't write his 2024 off too soon.
As Kruddler said some players get better.
Some perform worse.
If your club has more players going better there's a fair chance you get a better ladder position...even if other clubs also improve.
Some may even overtake you...but our players are all the right side of their prime or already there.
The expectation is improvement, and from third position after finals... guess where that puts us.
Ollie was dropped late in the year, in hindsight it may have had more to do with the news of his mothers condition than his ability to perform.
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - LP - 11-03-2023
(11-03-2023, 08:48 AM)DJC date Wrote:That is seriously underrating Crippa’s performance in his second season - when he won his first JNM - as well as conceding that he didn’t suffer from the mythical second year blues.It's not about stats or possessions, and it doesn't have a time limit, it's just something that happens, a milestone in every career. Some exceptions avoid, others might suffer it to a lesser degree, but it's root cause affects all players to some level.
It’s a fan’s concept that doesn’t happen in the real world.
The absurdity of your argument is exposed by the opponent's perspective, you have basically declared someone's opponent infallible!
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - Gointocarlton - 11-03-2023
This is going to happen a lot, the expectation will be sky high and rightly so given how we played towards the end of 2023, who we were able to beat and the manner in which we did. Sayers, Cook and Voss and will have their plates full managing this expectation. Our list is chockablock full of talent, there are no more excuses, natural progression is to finish top 4 and have a serious tilt.
The pressure will rest largely on the players to deliver week in week out. Pressure makes diamonds, pressure can be your friend, pressure keeps people honest.
TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR: If we dont win the flag in 2024, or finish top 4, we dont sack coaches anymore!
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - DJC - 11-03-2023
(11-03-2023, 08:18 PM)LP link Wrote:It's not about stats or possessions, and it doesn't have a time limit, it's just something that happens, a milestone in every career. Some exceptions avoid, others might suffer it to a lesser degree, but it's root cause affects all players to some level.
The absurdity of your argument is exposed by the opponent's perspective, you have basically declared someone's opponent infallible!
Did Patrick Cripps win the John Nicholls Medal in his second season?
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - Lods - 11-03-2023
I suspect the 'second year blues' are like everything else.
Some will experience them, perhaps for the reasons LP suggests.
They get a bit more attention and scutiny.
Others don't experience them at all and have better second seasons than first.
I had a look at about half a dozen of the best players and almost to a man their second season was better than their first.
Maybe, the better the player the less the likely the phenomenon or perhaps the mentally strong can work through it.
You know what we're doing here, in this exercise of prediction/expectation... is just 'guessing'.
The reality is that none of us have any idea of how things will work out and what part a whole range of variables will play in our 2024 season.
For every reason we can think of for a successful year, there will be a reason why things could go pear shaped.
There was a time when I used to go into a season not even thinking it wouldn't be successful.
I wonder whether we might be a bit 'gun shy' these days after such a lean period.
We look for reasons why we can't have a good year, and adjust our expectations accordingly.
At the moment I just cant see how we aren't a big chance in 2024 other than bad luck with things like injuries.
Re: Carlton 2024 Predictions / Expectations - DJC - 11-03-2023
Even before a new recruit has played a game, opposition analysts will have picked apart their strengths and weaknesses in preparation for briefing their players about how to nullify and exploit them. At the same time, the recruit’s coaches will be preparing them to deal with opposition tactics. It’s an ongoing arms race and new recruits aren’t given a 12 month truce before the opposition attempts to counter them.
Cincotta, Hollands, Cowan and Binns had good first seasons and coped with everything oppositions threw at them. That experience, and their first full pre-season, should set them up for even better second seasons. It’s that potential for improvement among our younger, developing players that will play a key part in determining our fortunes in 2024.