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Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - tonyo - 10-25-2023
I think the main reason we don't get enough goals from our midfield is that they have to play higher up the ground than most of the other top teams - and the reason for this is we don't have enough run out of the backline.
We just don't have the run and carry to make springboard attacks from the back half, so almost all of our scoring comes from midfielders delivering to forwards.
If we can get Boyd, WIlliams, Saad, Cincotta to set up plays from defensive 50 with run and bounce, the ball may well end up in the hands of Walsh/Cripps/Kennedy etc on the run from 40-50 metres out, instead of them kicking it from 70 metres out to contested situations.
The other top sides do this so well (think of Crisp/Quaynor/Coleman/Whitfield etc), and it's part of our game that I think we need to add.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - LP - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 11:40 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:I dont think we have too many worries.Agreed, fans see a short term issue due to injury or form and what backups of backups of backups, but it is not realistic with the TPP and list caps to have quality AFL backups for every position. If you have too many in the backup ready to go category your list will crash after 4 or 5 years because they all peak and wane together, or you have to find ways to bring in ready made types like the Handbaggers, but even they are now struggling.
The challenge for us isn't about ability anymore, it's about consistency and continuity. If we can get a decent run with injuries this season, we'll give the flag a red hot shake.
Just like you have a distribution of types, you have to have a distribution of ages as well.
I get the fan frustration, but to sustain long term success you have to accept some risk such that chance will play a role in your fate.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - kruddler - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 12:18 PM)DJC link Wrote:Yes, that’s true Thry.
A greater contribution from our mids and rucks would make life easier for our forwards though.
I've got an idea how to get more out of our rucks.....play Jack as one!
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - DJC - 10-26-2023
(10-25-2023, 11:55 PM)kruddler link Wrote:I've got an idea how to get more out of our rucks.....play Jack as one!
Play Jack as a ruckman and his form as a tall forward drops off dramatically … and that has repercussions for Harry and Charlie.
Pitto generally stays behind the ball when we’re attacking and that must be his instructions. It would be nice if he clunked a mark inside 50 from time to time.
I really don’t think we need to change our goal kicking options all that much - if you’re scoring plenty of goals from centre clearances you can’t expect to score many from rebounds - but some additional contributors wouldn’t go astray.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - madbluboy - 10-26-2023
Points scored in 2023(average)
First 13 games: 72.3
Last 13 games: 91.7
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - madbluboy - 10-26-2023
Removed the huge Eagles games from both averages and its
65.7
87.7
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - kruddler - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 12:29 AM)DJC link Wrote:Play Jack as a ruckman and his form as a tall forward drops off dramatically … and that has repercussions for Harry and Charlie.
Pitto generally stays behind the ball when we’re attacking and that must be his instructions. It would be nice if he clunked a mark inside 50 from time to time.
I really don’t think we need to change our goal kicking options all that much - if you’re scoring plenty of goals from centre clearances you can’t expect to score many from rebounds - but some additional contributors wouldn’t go astray.
The day Jack kicked 4 and was BOG and got 3 brownlow votes, he was yep, playing as a backup ruck.
People perceptions override the reality.
Jack
Games as ruck/backup ruck - 6
Goals while playing backup ruck -7
1.16 goals/game as a ruck/forward
Games with 2 rucks in the team (or 1 ruck and Young as backup) - 10*
Goals with 2 rucks in the team (or 1 ruck and Young as backup) - 8*
*Game vs Adelaide - SOJ was KPF, pitto got injured early in 1st quarter, Young/SOS played backup
0.8 goals/game as a pure forward
If we take out games against West Coast and North as they were just terrible and inflated averages.
1.2 goals/game as a ruck/forward
0.5 goals/game as a pure forward
So you may want to rethink your statement.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - PaulP - 10-26-2023
Do we really need yet another thread morphing into a Jack-the-ruck discussion ?
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - kruddler - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 02:59 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Do we really need yet another thread morphing into a Jack-the-ruck discussion ?
If the shoe fits, and people are posting mistruths, then yes.
Re: Where are our goals going to come from? - LP - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 03:02 AM)kruddler date Wrote:If the shoe fits, and people are posting mistruths, then yes.Then we best make sure people know that best game from SoJ was against Port at Marvel, with Port was in the middle of it's ruck crisis and had to ruck an underdone / premature return from injury Lycett (Dixon had gone out) with only Finlayson as a backup.
TDK playing on the fastest surface in the AFL was jumping all over Lycett early, Lycett aggravated his injury in a heavy contest early and then spent the rest of the game trying to belt the cover off our blokes but he couldn't catch them.
McKay also got injured early, but because Port had also brought Jonas back in prematurely and Lycett was broken they were short of talls at both ends of the ground.
A good game from SoJ, but hardly a test!