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Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Macca37 - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:31 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I think we need to work in tandem somewhat.I agree. But why aren't we doing that now?
Make sure Charlie has a shadow, and Harry has a shadow.
Ensure neither of them are targeted without one of our smalls ready to pounce at their feet.
A couple time we went to Harry when he was 1-on-1 and he failed to mark. 99 times out of 100, he loses once the ball is dropped. We must have a small forward with him to mop up.
Similarly with Charlie, although he is a bit better on the ground, just not as good as required.
Of course we can use this to our advantage and have Harry block for our small forwards who can find space themselves and we kick to them instead.
But, it should all start by 'pairing' a small forward with a key forward.
For as long as I've been following football it's been accepted that part of the role of small forwards is to go after the ball once it hits the ground at the feet of the tall forwards.
My worry is that we don't have players on the list with the necessary hand and foot skills to make this happen - and who are also lacking in decision making.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:39 AM)pertz link Wrote:Tend to agree that we let the usual suspects Sidebum, Pebbles etc carve us up we should have a plan for them or maybe they are just too good..They have a lot of rotations through their midfield positions and its hard to keep with the different players and where they are playing. Their ball use is of a very high standard and I think picking up Mitchell has been a a real win as he is doing a lot of the donkey work, saying that Pendlebury had 8 tackles which is a credit to him given his age and his role in the team which is to provide finish rather than do the dirty work in contests..
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:31 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I think attention has to turn to the coaching box...same opposition players beating us and we just play the same ineffective game plan over using the ball and wasting entry time and opportunities.Voss and Cripps were seen in heated discussion on the boundary, we know how that movie normally ends.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:49 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Ahem, 17 intercepts he had.
11 intercept MARKS
17 intercept possessions.
He picked up a few off hands/dribblers on top of all the marks.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - laj - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:42 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Oh well, such is life. I'll start by saying I'm pretty sure I watched the premiers live today. The are one hell of a football side. They run in pairs, there are nearly always 2 players to receive and then multiple options to give to. They are supremely confident in leaving their man, hitting a target anywhere on the ground and they read the incoming ball like freaks. Moore was BOG for mine, if he was a fwd he would have kicked a big bag of goals. He is doing what Weiters was doing all year last year, Moore will be the AA FB this year.
Us. It could have been alot worse. Our defence was super shoddy early but settled to be a little better in the second half. Weiters is totally bereft of any confidence, he would have a spell but there is no one in the 2s to replace him. The 50m penalties we gave away (Hollands and Boyd) which resulted in goals where unforgivable, the dumbest, undisciplined acts I have seen in a long time. They are good at scoring, we dont need to give them a leg up.
Walsh I felt had a dirty day, was very messy and was under pressure alot. Ditto Saad.
I thought Doc and Cez were our best by long way, put in for 4 qtrs and never gave up.
When I saw H nail that first goal, I thought that's exactly what he needed. In the end their defence was too good.
Pitto toiled away all day, I still think in an ideal world, Pitto and TDK in peak form can be a 1 -2 combo that can trouble side. They key to that though is they have to be able to go fwd (or back) and do damage there. I'd almost give Weiters a spell (time away) and TDK his roll.
I tried to be positive, I genuinely thought if we played our best we could have had a shot, in the end, we just weren't good enough.
Thats about it.
Onto next week. I am hanging onto a theory/hope that we will be much better after the bye, that is we are saving our best, run and gun footy for the second half of the year (ie opposite to last year). Hears hoping.
Brisbane are better. Already seen them flog Collingwood and Melbourne.
Yes, we have to hang on to whatever hope there is as you never know. Walsh is struggling with his lack of preseason. Maybe we should of gave him more time.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - Lods - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:52 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Voss and Cripps were seen in heated discussion on the boundary, we know how that movie normally ends.
Yep
It may be time to give Cripps a change of scenery.
Seriously, I'm not sure there was a lot in it but we'll put our own interpretations on it.
There's a general feeling that Cripps may have played a large part in Teague's demise.
That could also extend to Bolton.
But that's speculation.
What is probably not speculation is that Cripps wields a lot of influence over the playing group.
If it did come to a showdown it may be that the Captain moves this time rather than the coach.
But as I said that's speculation, maybe even wild speculation.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - pinot - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:47 AM)laj link Wrote:Thing is though the review 2 years ago that had Teague sacked demanded we make finals. If we finish, say, 11th, as we are now, there's very little chance of Voss surviving based on that. Finals were an expectancy from the Board.
True - the list is more than good enough to play finals. One game out of the eight so hope this silly at times club doesn't make any rash decision
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - pinot - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:52 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Voss and Cripps were seen in heated discussion on the boundary, we know how that movie normally ends.
I think it's fair for Voss to demand more from his leaders.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - cookie2 - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:38 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Prof, Im looking at the other assistant coaches...Voss isnt a great tactician and never was at Brisbane but you rely on your assistants to provide you with ideas and info and we just seem to do the same stuff every week in fact and make the same mistakes.
Probably need an excellent opposition analyst who can advise on what variations to gameplan are required each week.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood - cookie2 - 05-21-2023
(05-21-2023, 08:57 AM)pinot link Wrote:I think it's fair for Voss to demand more from his leaders.
Agree. I think we have big problem in this area.