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Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - kruddler - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 08:10 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Been saying for weeks to play Fogarty, he isn't stylish but tackles well and is a honest blue collar player who would be handy vs the Stkilda Dockers ....Slow, not a great user of the ball.
If a player runs into him, you're ok.
If a player is running away from him, wave goodbye.
He reminds me of a few good VFL players like Adam Bentick that can't make the step up to the big leagues work due to lack of physical attributes.
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - Baggers - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 08:19 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Slow, not a great user of the ball.
If a player runs into him, you're ok.
If a player is running away from him, wave goodbye.
He reminds me of a few good VFL players like Adam Bentick that can't make the step up to the big leagues work due to lack of physical attributes.
His contribution is likely to be better than Fisher's. No point in having terrific leg speed if you can't tackle and/or get the aggot. His tackles stick, and hits the scoreboard. Deserves a go.
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - Gointocarlton - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 08:26 AM)Baggers link Wrote:His contribution is likely to be better than Fisher's. No point in having terrific leg speed if you can't tackle and/or get the aggot. His tackles stick, and hits the scoreboard. Deserves a go.Been plenty of terrific footballers over the journey with average leg speed.
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - Thryleon - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 08:19 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Slow, not a great user of the ball.
If a player runs into him, you're ok.
If a player is running away from him, wave goodbye.
He reminds me of a few good VFL players like Adam Bentick that can't make the step up to the big leagues work due to lack of physical attributes.
Also can't kick it very far either. He's an honest trier who can't do much. It's like owies with less tricks.
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 08:18 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:IIRC, when he debuted for us, he got bit of the ball and was a very straight kick for goal.Yep, been under valued like Kennedy was and I think we have a decent player who could help us in a few areas.
Hopefully we don't keep ignoring him and he gets an opportunity...
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - DJC - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 08:38 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Also can't kick it very far either. He's an honest trier who can't do much. It's like owies with less tricks.
I beg to differ Thry.
Fogarty is a midfielder who can go forward. He’s good in traffic and generally manages to get his kick away and hit a target. He may not be as effective a forward as Owies but he has a more expansive bag of tricks. Owies reads the play well, makes good position and generally finishes well. Fogarty wins his own ball and creates opportunities for his teammates.
I think that Fogarty would take Fish’s spot if any. We would lose some speed but Fish didn’t put his jets to good use on Thursday.
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - madbluboy - 04-17-2023
We can't make the side any slower if we want to challenge.
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-17-2023
Horses for courses...Stkilda are playing the old Freo footy, you need contested players who can stick and break tackles.
If you are playing Port or the Pies etc you need running power...
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - kruddler - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 09:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:I think that Fogarty would take Fish’s spot if any. We would lose some speed but Fish didn’t put his jets to good use on Thursday.Thing about comments like this though, is its based off when Fisher has the ball, or his direct opponent does.
What about the other 95% of the time?
What about when he is running to fill some space?
What about when he is running to man up a loose player?
What about when he is running after his opponent making a lead?
Speed is used all throughout the game, most of the time when you DON'T have the ball.
Re: VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton - Thryleon - 04-17-2023
(04-17-2023, 09:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:I beg to differ Thry.agree to disagree DJC.
Fogarty is a midfielder who can go forward. He’s good in traffic and generally manages to get his kick away and hit a target. He may not be as effective a forward as Owies but he has a more expansive bag of tricks. Owies reads the play well, makes good position and generally finishes well. Fogarty wins his own ball and creates opportunities for his teammates.
I think that Fogarty would take Fish’s spot if any. We would lose some speed but Fish didn’t put his jets to good use on Thursday.
Fogarty is a player i think won't get very far and who's best just simply isn't good enough.
I'd you want a body that can go forward and plays committed footy, Carroll has him covered and he needs to do more.