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Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - cookie2 - 10-30-2022
(10-30-2022, 09:22 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Cheap and tacky is also in the eye of the beholder though…
So you think blacking up can be ok? Fascinating.
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - northernblue - 10-30-2022
This arvo, today ?
Nah, pretty hard to justify, we are all aware that it’s frowned upon by brown people, but is it intrinsically racist, no.
Can it be racist, yes.
Is you putting Viking horns on your head being racist to Scandinavians ?
It could be depending on the context, is it poor taste ? Possibly could be…
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - Lods - 10-30-2022
Growing up Al Jolson was one of my dad's favourites.
He's still one of mine.
No apologies for that.
I have half a dozen Jolson 78s and a couple of LP's
I remember watching and enjoying the 'Black and White minstrel show".
It was a different time.
It's a complex situation and not all African American folks at the time felt the same level of discomfort and offence as most do today.
https://jolson.org/man/racism/blackface.html
We've moved on to a point where it is unacceptable.
But we lose a bit in the process if we condemn the talent of the past.
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - DJC - 10-30-2022
(10-30-2022, 09:20 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:And who are the judges of that? What are the guidelines for making such judgements? Is there ok blacking up and not ok blacking up? Can Magda black up but not Sam Newman? I personally think all blacking up is just cheap and tacky.
Absolutely!
The difference is that Sammy Newman refused to acknowledge that his blackface was in any way wrong and offensive to people of colour generally and Nicky Winmar in particular, and he still won’t accept that he did anything wrong. Eddie McGuire was still defending Sam’s blackface as recently as 2020.
Magda’s blackface performance was no less offensive than Sam’s. The difference is that Magda acknowledges that what she did was wrong and hurtful to Indigenous Australians. She has apologised and sought advice from Indigenous Australians about how to make amends. Her willingness to explore how to use her gaff to make things better is admirable.
That’s quite a contrast with the attitude of the owner of Lang Prospecting who can’t bring herself to say whether she agrees with the genocidal beliefs of the previous owner of the company.
Of course, the real bonus out of the Magda blackface controversy resurfacing yet again is that a new audience gets to appreciate the Gina Minehart skits; comedy gold and yet another example of life imitating art.
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - madbluboy - 10-30-2022
Magda apologised for herself being racist not her parents.
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - Gointocarlton - 10-30-2022
(10-30-2022, 09:20 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:And who are the judges of that? What are the guidelines for making such judgements? Is there ok blacking up and not ok blacking up? Can Magda black up but not Sam Newman? I personally think all blacking up is just cheap and tacky.I also thought of the furore when Sam Newman did it.
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - Gointocarlton - 10-30-2022
(10-30-2022, 09:00 AM)northernblue link Wrote:I disagree, “blackface” can be racist, absolutely it can and has been.When did Gina blackface? Did I miss something?
But is it always 100% ? Absolutely not, is it poor taste ? Sure…
But let’s contrast Magda’s comments with our old friend Gina’s… ??
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - DJC - 10-30-2022
(10-30-2022, 11:28 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Magda apologised for herself being racist not her parents.
Why do you have such an obsession with apologies MBB?
The issue is whether the current owner of Hancock Prospecting has the same views on the genocide of Aboriginal people as the previous owner had. It’s a fairly simple question that should have been answered when Gina inherited the company.
Trying to draw attention away from Rinehart’s inability to answer a simple question by dragging up one critic’s past indiscretions is a classic and pathetic “look over there” tactic.
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - DJC - 10-30-2022
(10-30-2022, 11:48 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:When did Gina blackface? Did I miss something?
Yes, you missed Magda’s contrite apology and willingness to learn from her past mistake.
Blackface is completely unacceptable but it’s nothing compared with Gina’s failure to reject genocide.
Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics - Gointocarlton - 10-30-2022
(10-30-2022, 11:57 AM)DJC link Wrote:Yes, you missed Magda’s contrite apology and willingness to learn from her past mistake.Did she apologise of her own volition or when it was pointed out to her that she is a racist?
Blackface is completely unacceptable but it’s nothing compared with Gina’s failure to reject genocide.
Also, difference is Magda did something abhorrent, Gina hasn't.