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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - LP - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 07:16 AM)PaulP date Wrote:No doubt plenty on here think Setterfield is a waste of space, but if you look at his opportunities, injuries, coach shenanigans etc. it's not a great development environment, by any measure.Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.
But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 07:22 AM)LP link Wrote:Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.FMD generalise much?
But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 07:22 AM)LP link Wrote:Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.Lob has improved, Setterfield hasnt and his weaknesses are still his weaknesses and Plowman is a turnover merchant when the heat is on and while I have appreciated the dirty jobs he has copped in the past I think its time to put some faith in younger players like Kemp who have better skills and play them ahead of Plowman who probably is getting close to his use by date.
But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!
I thinks Fans do get it and want better because we now have a better list and need to keep tweaking it to make a top 4 sustainable list and that means players like Setterfield and Plowman are now redundant.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 07:37 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:FMD generalise much?
I've managed to get to several games this season and I have watched all of the other games on TV. I have also watched replays of the games I saw live. I consider myself to be a keen student of the game and I try to pay attention to player positioning, what players do off the ball, what positions players take, who their opponents are, etc, etc. I find that I pick up things I missed live when I watch replays and, depending on the coverage, our tactics and individual player efforts are sometimes clearer on TV. I guess that's why players and coaches spend hours watching videos of each game.
Of course, as with most things, two people watching the same footy match live or on TV will see the game differently.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Baggers - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 07:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Lob has improved, Setterfield hasnt and his weaknesses are still his weaknesses and Plowman is a turnover merchant when the heat is on and while I have appreciated the dirty jobs he has copped in the past I think its time to put some faith in younger players like Kemp who have better skills and play them ahead of Plowman who probably is getting close to his use by date.
I thinks Fans do get it and want better because we now have a better list and need to keep tweaking it to make a top 4 sustainable list and that means players like Setterfield and Plowman are now redundant.
Couldn't agree more, EB1.
Sadly, when the heat in the kitchen is full-on, these two just cannot be relied upon. Kemp and Stocker in a heartbeat.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - pinot - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 08:21 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Couldn't agree more, EB1.
Sadly, when the heat in the kitchen is full-on, these two just cannot be relied upon. Kemp and Stocker in a heartbeat.
Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.
I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - kruddler - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 06:24 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Im not against rewarding form, but have you ever seen Setterfield do something (anything) and go thats why he gets a game?
I said similar about Boyd earlier in the season, but that was after his first AFL game, where he stunk it up. Thats not unusual company to be in, given Kade Simpson and even Joel Selwoods debut where the numbers werent high, the clanger count was, but some players are worth persevering with.
Through sheer lack of other options, Setters passed 50 games as an AFL player this year, and whilst I am unsure what role he can play (like you say) I don't even know what he does well aside from be tall...
His best games, where when he played as a lock down backman a couple years ago or thereabouts.
People still had a go at him because of his low possession count, and maybe the 1 disposal error he made, but overlooked that his opponent did SFA.
He has played good games, but just not enough in a row, in the same position, to make a sustained case for him.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Baggers - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 08:42 AM)pinot link Wrote:Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.
I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.
From your keyboard to all the ears of all the gods.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - tonyo - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 08:42 AM)pinot link Wrote:Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.
I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.
Probably a Voss-like purge at season's end?
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - madbluboy - 08-03-2022
With Kennedy out do we bring Dow in or just move Setterfield into the middle and bring in Martin?