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Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-01-2022
(08-01-2022, 12:59 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I think it just needs time. Pittonet, DeKoning and Silvagni played together in the first few rounds, and it seemed to work quite well then. Maybe with injuries and the like they will take a while to get in sync. Or maybe the team just had a bad night.On a nice 25 degree day with the track dry then you can go the extra tall to stretch the opposition but it has to be horses for courses and on a slow weather affected evening track we should have gone a bit smaller and Jack was ideal as the second ruck also giving us a taller midfielder type. Its not like the Crows play the dual specialist ruckman either so imho the club made a terrible decision both dropping Jack and playing 2 x specialist rucks and have to own it..
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - LP - 08-01-2022
Just in case more people think team balance doesn't matter, and that they can pick and play whichever favourites they like, it doesn't get much clearer than the attached timeline!
13:07 Corey Durdin off, sub on, .................... too top heavy, too slow, too much the same, game over, the run has left the building!
[img width=950]https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6058.0;attach=1284;image[/img]
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - madbluboy - 08-01-2022
Yeah we looked great before he went off.
Durdin was dominating too. He finished with a supercoach score of 1.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - kruddler - 08-01-2022
(08-01-2022, 01:54 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:We were too confident. We thought we were going to walk through them.The loss we had to have?
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - PaulP - 08-01-2022
I'd have to say I'd be a little skeptical about the height imbalance theory - I'd say it was one factor among several, a minor factor IMO. If you're swapping out 2 or 3 smalls for talls, then yes, no doubt, but not 1.
Listening to Voss post game, he mentioned desire, ground ball and contested ball. He said we lost too many critical battles, and were out muscled by a side with greater desire and work rate. He didn't seem too concerned when questioned about 3 talls, height balance etc.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - kruddler - 08-01-2022
(08-01-2022, 07:38 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'd have to say I'd be a little skeptical about the height imbalance theory - I'd say it was one factor among several, a minor factor IMO. If you're swapping out 2 or 3 smalls for talls, then yes, no doubt, but not 1.
Listening to Voss post game, he mentioned desire, ground ball and contested ball. He said we lost too many critical battles, and were out muscled by a side with greater desire and work rate. He didn't seem too concerned when questioned about 3 talls, height balance etc.
Lets try it this way.
Who is more likely to win those contested ball and ground balls?
Tall slow players, or mids who have limited rotations??
or
Small faster, well rested players?
Pittonet, TDK and Jack are not going to be chasing down too many groundballs, whereas Hewitt, Durdin etc might.
Its not specifically about 'height' but the attributes that go along with it.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - madbluboy - 08-01-2022
Jack is good off the ground.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - kruddler - 08-02-2022
(08-01-2022, 08:15 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Jack is good off the ground.compared to other ruckman, yes.
Compared to other midfielders, not so much.
....and god forbid he has to chase down a loose ball, because speed wise, he won't get there first.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - Lods - 08-02-2022
People expect him to be his father....when he's probably closer to his grandfather in the way he plays.
That's still pretty useful.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - Thryleon - 08-02-2022
(08-02-2022, 06:28 AM)Lods link Wrote:People expect him to be his father....when he's probably closer to his grandfather in the way he plays.Yep agree with that Lods. Even when they call for him to go into Defense. Aside from doing a job on Nat Fyfe, and pin hitting down back when hes followed a man down there, has he ever played back for Carlton in his career? I cant remember it.
That's still pretty useful.
He is VERY much like Serge in the way he played. Ben was supposed to be like the old man, but we cut him loose because he doesnt have the Silvagni ticker even though he got the ability.