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Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - blueboys_1 - 06-18-2022
(06-18-2022, 08:27 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Bruce got a hold of Kempy a few times. Was surprised to see on the club's website that Stocker didn't get in the best players or rate a mention! In the heat it was Stocks and Cincotta who repelled a lot of attacks. Kempy's 2nd half was outstanding... really attacked the contest and backed himself, was terrific to see. A few selection headaches for the MC next week.Watched the whole game and Bruce towled him up, kicking three on him in the first half. However as has been mentioned his second half was outstandind. The knock on against Bruce while on the groud was the highlight of the night.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - pinot - 06-19-2022
Bruce is a beast of a man and Kemp is more of an intercept - running off opponent type player. Probably his first assignment as a lock down defender ever. I thought he did tremendously well
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - WASurfer - 06-19-2022
Once Weitering comes back in and Young continues to develop, can Kemp be the 3rd tall defender option? Given the propensity for McGovern and Marchbank to be injured all the time, Kemp probably goes past the likes of Williamson etc? Hopefully it one day becomes a "problem" where we struggle to squeeze guys into the best 22.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - Professer E - 06-19-2022
I'm probably in the minority but I don't see it (yet) with Motlop EB, doesn't look fast enough, fit enough or intense enough for long enough. It's not just about flashy goals as a high half forward - Durdin, Fisher and Owies offer work rate and where they run to when the opposition try to transition from defence is a huge part of our game plan.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - LP - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 04:51 AM)Professer E date Wrote:Durdin, Fisher and Owies offer work rate and where they run to when the opposition try to transition from defence is a huge part of our game plan.Even LoB and Cottrell play a very important role in this regard, it shapes where the ball goes and allows our D50 to focus on a smaller area. When that run goes missing, like when we had Motlop in, for all that he showed when he has the ball, we lost the work ethic when we didn't have it, and that was or can be very costly.
I thought Carroll was OK when he was in, he certainly worked up and down the ground, he just needs some polish and he will be a player.
Fans tend not to give work ethic much regard, they see what happens when the camera is on the player or when they have the footy and are blind to the rest. One of Owies big pluses is what he does when we do not have the footy, the guy runs goal line to goal line if required to do so, fans do not see it because they watch the footy or it's happening off camera. As a coach when you see that sort of work ethic you know you have something to work with, it's very hard for a coach to work with the opposite type of player, which is a passenger type player.
Motlop is just a kid, he stops and watches when he's not in range to win the footy, which creates space for the opposition to move into. He'll learn that eventually, but playing him now comes with that feature of his game as a cost.
For all our talent in the midfield, it's worthless if they start watching play evolve away from them, Walsh is so good because he's onto the next contest immediately and never stops moving.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 04:51 AM)Professer E link Wrote:I'm probably in the minority but I don't see it (yet) with Motlop EB, doesn't look fast enough, fit enough or intense enough for long enough. It's not just about flashy goals as a high half forward - Durdin, Fisher and Owies offer work rate and where they run to when the opposition try to transition from defence is a huge part of our game plan.I agree Prof he looks a tad slow compared to say Durdin and originally I thought it was just the pace of the AFL senior game compared to U18/WAFL footy but he actually lacks a yard of leg speed and needs to get fitter to get an edge to his game.
Has a bit of swagger about him as well which is fine if you can back it up on the field ala Weightman, Ginnivan, Higgins etc but as I said the Durdin, Owies, Fisher setup is the best we have had for a long while and I dont see any reason to change it other than injury.
The one small forward we probably lack is that high marking player like Liam Ryan, Weightman, Bolton etc who can take contested marks vs bigger players. I watched both Weightman and Rylee West last night and they both took good contested marks vs bigger opponents and if Jesse Motlop wanted to get ahead of one of the incumbent three small forwards then he would need to get that type of skillset as an advantage but at the moment he is a long way off the other three imho.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - DJC - 06-19-2022
I liked the look of Tyreece Leiu. He is a big lump of a lad who looks like he means it when he lays a tackle. He was one of our train on players at the start of the year and I think he may be worth another try.
As for Motlop, he may not have got the pill but he certainly covered the ground trying to get to the opposition ball carrier. In fact, the expression 'blue-asked fly' came to mind. I think that his work rate is there but he needs to improve his positioning and reading of the play.
Kemp was on a hiding to nothing but he stuck to his guns and largely nullified Bruce in the second half. Not a bad effort considering he was conceding 5cm, 9kg and 146 AFL games.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 03:13 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:Once Weitering comes back in and Young continues to develop, can Kemp be the 3rd tall defender option? Given the propensity for McGovern and Marchbank to be injured all the time, Kemp probably goes past the likes of Williamson etc? Hopefully it one day becomes a "problem" where we struggle to squeeze guys into the best 22.I see that as Kemps role going forward if he wants to play senior footy, as I have said before he has the Jeremy Howe skillset as a work in progress and while no one will ever be at Howes level for marking ability I think Kemp can do the same intercept role and give us some long kicking depth out of defense and take those intercept marks.
McGovern will get the role when he returns but as you suggest he doesnt stay on the park for very long and Marchbank is about the unluckiest player I have seen after Lee Walker and Alex Johnson and both those players tried so hard to make it back but in the end had to give up and I fear Marchbank will be the same so Kemp is one player we should be giving games to so he fasttracks his development.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - LP - 06-19-2022
If they were all fit and firing McGovern and Marchbank have Kemp comfortably covered as intercept defenders.
We are wasting Kemp, he has a set of skills / abilities that rivals most tall mids, it will be very interesting to see what we do with list management at the end of this season. I suspect clubs short of big bodied mids will quite possibly come after Kemp.
Fyfe back perhaps highlights this, the only like for like we've got is Cripps, so they probably run off each other, no point tagging them or rotating others. If we had Kemp in the mid rotation you could double team Fyfe with Cripps and Kemp, I think we did similar for a short time with SoJ a season or two back and it worked quite well, but at the moment SoJ is really needed elsewhere!
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - DJC - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 05:32 AM)LP link Wrote:If they were all fit and firing McGovern and Marchbank have Kemp comfortably covered as intercept defenders.
We are wasting Kemp, he has a set of skills / abilities that rivals most tall mids, it will be very interesting to see what we do with list management at the end of this season. I suspect clubs short of big bodied mids will quite possibly come after Kemp.
Fyfe back perhaps highlights this, the only like for like we've got is Cripps, so they probably run off each other, no point tagging them or rotating others. If we had Kemp in the mid rotation you could double team Fyfe with Cripps and Kemp, I think we did similar for a short time with SoJ a season or two back and it worked quite well, but at the moment SoJ is really needed elsewhere!
Where does this "Kemp as a midfielder" come from LP?
He has never played as a midfielder and I'm not sure that he has the attributes for that role. His strengths are his intercept marking, ability to run out of defence, and occasionally go forward and hit the scoreboard.
The McGovern experiment pushed Kemp a few runs down the ladder but, if we want a long term intercept defender, Kemp is the man.